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Old 05-26-06, 10:54 AM   #1
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Old 05-26-06, 10:57 AM   #2
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I just wanted to know what combo of rims and tires are working for people who are logging time on the velo and street.

I am thinkin areos or areohead and mich carbons. What combo is working for you?
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Old 05-26-06, 11:42 AM   #3
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For street I'm using Velocity Deep Vs with Specialized Armadillos.

For velo, I'm using a CXP-33 (front) and an EAI arrow (rear) with Vittoria Rubino Pros (for training) and Vittoria Open Corsas (for racing).

For a single wheelset to rule them all, it really depends on how hard you ride on the street, how many potholes, what kind of velodrome etc.

But I'd suggest looking at Mavic CXP-33s over the Velo Areo heads, they tend to be stronger; weigh more though (470 g vs 405). Some will also push the Open-Pros (425 grams). All of these will build into good wheels, but depending on your weight the Aeroheads may not be good enough for street riding.

Tires are a big issue on a single wheelset. Need to find a light, grippy tire for the velo, which has a high thread count. For the street you need to not get flats or have your tires cut-up. So you're either rocking some Vittoria/Vredesteins (such as the Fortezza or Rubino Pro) that will be ok but not super puncture resistant and will get cut up, or get used to changing tires at the track.

You should focus on the best for the main environment. If its mainly street with a little track thrown, get the stronger rims and more puncture resistant tires, weight really won't matter on the track until you get super fit.

If its the track mainly, then sure look at the Aeroheads.

Anyway, thats just my opinion.

[Oh and get a fixed/fixed hub - for training its a total pain to get to the track and change gears. It just gets messy. Best plan is to do as little as possible to your bike before a training session. Makes it much easier to flip a wheel and then get on that sweet concrete (or wood if you're very lucky)]
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For street I'm using Velocity Deep Vs with Specialized Armadillos.

For velo, I'm using a CXP-33 (front) and an EAI arrow (rear) with Vittoria Rubino Pros (for training) and Vittoria Open Corsas (for racing).

For a single wheelset to rule them all, it really depends on how hard you ride on the street, how many potholes, what kind of velodrome etc.

But I'd suggest looking at Mavic CXP-33s over the Velo Areo heads, they tend to be stronger; weigh more though (470 g vs 405). Some will also push the Open-Pros (425 grams). All of these will build into good wheels, but depending on your weight the Aeroheads may not be good enough for street riding.

Tires are a big issue on a single wheelset. Need to find a light, grippy tire for the velo, which has a high thread count. For the street you need to not get flats or have your tires cut-up. So you're either rocking some Vittoria/Vredesteins (such as the Fortezza or Rubino Pro) that will be ok but not super puncture resistant and will get cut up, or get used to changing tires at the track.

You should focus on the best for the main environment. If its mainly street with a little track thrown, get the stronger rims and more puncture resistant tires, weight really won't matter on the track until you get super fit.

If its the track mainly, then sure look at the Aeroheads.

Anyway, thats just my opinion.

[Oh and get a fixed/fixed hub - for training its a total pain to get to the track and change gears. It just gets messy. Best plan is to do as little as possible to your bike before a training session. Makes it much easier to flip a wheel and then get on that sweet concrete (or wood if you're very lucky)]
Thanks. I am hoping to get more time on the track then street. I am not super aggressive rider, but do ride the streets of NYC which are crap.
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anyone have any experience with the cane creek volos, the mavic ellipse or the bontrager select track?
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I just bought a new pair of wheels to ride street and velo. I chose DA7600s laced to Velocity Fusions, 3X/3X
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anyone have any experience with the cane creek volos, the mavic ellipse or the bontrager select track?
I've seen several pairs of Ellipses being ridden on the street. I haven't asked anyone about them though.
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Old 05-26-06, 01:53 PM   #8
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ridden the bontragers. they're light as ****, they spin great, i've heard that they're surprisingly durable (not actually mine), and they flex like mad when you're out of the saddle. really weird feeling.
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I've never heard anything bad about the ellipses or volos, only good things. Both of them look sick and are definetely better track wheels than pure on the road wheels. If I were in your position and if I KNEW I would be on the track 95 percent of the time I would go with the ellipses or volos.
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I've seen several pairs of Ellipses being ridden on the street. I haven't asked anyone about them though.
I saw some on FGG that i asked the guy about them, he said they were hard as nails, even went as far as saying that he rides down three set stairs with no problem.. sooo im guessing they are pretty tough.
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Where can you buy the bontragers?
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i ride ellipses on the track and street using vredestein fortezza tri comp tires.

fortezza's are by far my favorite tires i've ridden. they can withstand super high pressure, have great traction and great longevity. they aren't prone to square off like so many conti's i've ridden. i've never ridden the michelin carbons, but hear complaints with how punture prone they are and how quickly they wear.

the ellipses are amazing wheels. they are super stiff and spin up quickly. the bladed spokes really seem to make them cut through the air better. some people complain they're too heavy, but the performance of them is well worth the extra weight. they're fixed/fixed, which is great... so you can have a track and street cog on either side. i ran 48:14/16, but this season am just running 50:15 for both.
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only wheels I have.
Phil wood high flange laced to open pros wrapped in continental 3000's. Fantastic lovely ride.
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Old 05-26-06, 02:19 PM   #14
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anyone have any experience with the cane creek volos, the mavic ellipse or the bontrager select track?
ken cox has a very favorable review of the volos hidden somewhere on this forum
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I have yet to get out to a track so I can only speak for the performance on the street but I have a set of Ellipses with more than 1200 miles on them and they still feel new. I ride hard and I have hit some pretty ridiculous holes/craters and thought I, for sure, broke something but they are still true. Just from me browsing the internet there seem to be quite a few people that do ride them on the track though and love them (eventhough some people complain they are too heavy).
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I am thinkin areos or areohead and mich carbons. What combo is working for you?
I always feel compelled to say nice things about the Aerohead rims when this question comes up. While not on my fixed gear, I've had a pair of Aeroheads on my road bike for about six years and they've been bombproof. I think in that time I've only had the wheels trued twice, and I'm constantly hitting sh*t in the road. In a high speed crash that bent my front axle and tore the skin off the left side of my body, the rims were unaffected (I was able to ride them home).

My ideal fixed gear wheelset would be built on Velocity Aero rims. Oh, and I just picked up a pair of Michelin Carbons for my roadie, but I'll have to let you know in 10,000 miles how they're holding up
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the rear hub on the volos makes me weak in the knees and wet in the pants.
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How hard would it to be to rebuild a wheel using volos or ellipse hubs once you roached the front wheel?
I'm debating buying some ellipses, and just want to make sure its not too hard to rebuild.
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Bontrager selects I would consider to be track-only wheels, at least based on what I've seen/heard about the road version. They may be light, but they don't have the durability of the standard velocity and mavic stuff.
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fortezza's are by far my favorite tires i've ridden. they can withstand super high pressure, have great traction and great longevity. they aren't prone to square off like so many conti's i've ridden. i've never ridden the michelin carbons, but hear complaints with how punture prone they are and how quickly they wear.
+1 for the fortezza tricomps

these tires are amazing. i ride them on my commute/alleycat bike and they happily take lots of abuse--plus, who's not down with orange on orange tires?

i wish i could say that i loved the schwalbe stelvios on my track bike as much. they're nice tires, but they wear oddly and a bit too quickly. that and they make this funny sucking sound after a little skidding once they're a bit worn.
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+1 for the fortezza tricomps

these tires are amazing. i ride them on my commute/alleycat bike and they happily take lots of abuse--plus, who's not down with orange on orange tires?

i wish i could say that i loved the schwalbe stelvios on my track bike as much. they're nice tires, but they wear oddly and a bit too quickly. that and they make this funny sucking sound after a little skidding once they're a bit worn.
If I went w/ Orange/Orange then I would call it the pumpkin bike since the frame is orange.
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If I went w/ Orange/Orange then I would call it the pumpkin bike since the frame is orange.
they can be seen dirty and hiding in the background in this pic:

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Yeah, I am not sure if that would be too much Orange
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Mavic anodized rims (tubies of course) and Campy,Shimano,Suntour and Suzue hubs.

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Mavic anodized rims (tubies of course) and Campy,Shimano,Suntour and Suzue hubs.

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see that's what i was wondering about - not so much volos vs ellipse vs select track, but how they would compare to campy, dura ace, or phil hubs laced to mavics or dt's...
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