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Oh wtf, if you put **** on my POS car, I'd probably tell you to **** off. Just because you thought it was a beat up old POS car doesn't mean the owner does. A few years ago I worked a lube and wash place that had coin operated vacs outside, after i punched out for the day, some ahole from NY pulls up, blocks my car in, throws his car mats on my hood and proceeds to vacuum it. Yeah, maybe in his eyes doing it on my beat up POS car is no big deal, but I was about to key his ****ing car. Its called respect for other people's property man. How would you feel if some fat guy leaned against your bike cause he was tired, no big deal right, the guy thought it looked like some POS bike cause it was all scratched up and the setpost was broken.
And don't overreact if a cop doesn't kiss your boo-boo. If you said you were really hurt and then they didn't help you, yeah, something to complain about, but don't be such a *****.

breadstick

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa*****aaa.

humancongereel

so, are you--and everyone else saying what you've just said--saying that putting your **** on someone else's car is a good reason for them to be upset or a good reason for them to be an *******? i don't think there's any good reason to be an *******. upset and being an ******* are different. "hey, man, would you get your **** off my car? hey, cool. thanks." that would have worked, too.

i think you're all saying he had a reason to be upset, and i have to agree more or less. but if you're saying this was a good excuse to be an *******, stop it. the cop overreacted, it sounds like. not in telling the op to move his ****, but in threatening arrest and saying it rudely. that's being an *******. being nice doesn't have to mean you get pushed around or just let people alone, and the cop could have rectified the situation to his satisfaction while being nice about it, i'm very sure. but he didn't. and i think that's the op's issue that's been ignored this whole time while you're talking about whether he should have put his **** there in the first place. no, he shouldn't have. but the cop shouldn't have been an *******. people shouldn't be *******s. and no one should be surprised when others don't like people being *******s to them.

sentinel4675

Visitor,
You have no idea how rewarding teaching people to put child safety seats in properly is. By me teaching others the correct way to install child safety seats, I have helped prevent injury or death to two children. Trust me, the letters of thanks from the parents make up for whatever your idiotic opinion is about it. Visitor, what was the thing you were doing? Maybe those officers were negligent and not doing their job by not arresting you?
Zachs, The NYPD is greatly underpaid. The starting pay is $25,100 however after the 6 month academy it goes to $32,700 and after 5.5 years it may go to 59,000. That is still pathetic and you are right, it doesn't make it easy to attract good candidates, but that doesn't mean all of them are scum as some here like to insinuate.
hyper,
Just because they didn't make an arrest doesn't mean it wasn't a crime. "Which it obvioulsy wasn't." Folliwng your logic everyone arrested must be guilty otherwise they wouldn't have been arrested. Also, I make no assumptions that the officer was right or wrong, and neither can most of us since we weren't there. Some are so quick to believe the officer is always wrong.
Crayon,
I would tell them to stop and take steps necessary to stop them. You left an option off of your survey. That option would be to report them to superiors. And by the way, I have testified in Federal court against a dirty officer so I don't look the other way like some do when a crime is committed.

BadAssBiker

So you are a rat, too?

sentinel4675

Can't win can I?

BadAssBiker

Just relax, I don't really care.

hyperRevue

What are you talking about?
You said "it's not really unethical to threaten arrest if it is truly a case of vandalism."
Placing a bag of tools on a car is not vandalism, that is what we're talking about.

You're taking my comment about this particular situation (bag of tools not being vandalism) and extrapolating it into my aparent logic about law enforcement (everyone arrested must be guilty or they wouldn't have been arrested)?
Talk about a non sequitur.

Assuming everything the OP said was factual and without bias, which is all we can do, you sure seem to be bending over backwards not to assign any wrong-doing to this officer.
Again, you said "it's not really unethical to threaten arrest if it is truly a case of vandalism." Are we safe to assume, then, that you feel that it IS unethical if it WEREN'T truly a case of vandalism?
Because, as I said before, it obviously wasn't.

visitordesign

well, seeing as how these've all been removed or just weathered away at this point and i don't have much time to do this stuff anymore, here's a tiny sampling:









the ones we had the best discussion about were huge aliens with rayguns and big droopy penises that i had scaled some building faces to paste up. the cops didn't care a) that i'd scaled the face of a building (particularly since i came down to talk when i could easily have hit the roof, jumped to another and come down to the street elsewhere) b) was pasting stuff up without permission.

they liked my drawings, warned me that there were other cops who wouldn't be so understanding (and would hold me up by my ankles and try to drown me in my paste bucket if they caught me), suggested i stay off of buildings and tipped me off that they were the only car driving around that neighborhood at that hour (with a wink and a smile). their ultimate decision (after a bit of elucidation on my part) on the matter was that paste really wasn't much different than chalk and that they don't arrest kids for drawing on people's stoops or on the walls of schools.

hyperRevue

That's pretty rad.
And not what I would call vandalism.
If it were paint, then that's a different story.

Matthew A Brown

W has a mangina.

visitordesign

i know. it is good work. i'm just being reactionary beacuse i've tried not to be and you've insisted on it, so i'm experimenting with that as a means to communicate with you.

they didn't arrest me because they happened to be more human than cop. they didn't become their job. they remembered that their job is something that they do and not something that they are--that humanity is something you have to have to remain human. they were likely just bored and happy to have a stimulating conversation with someone who wasn't treating them like a couple of uniforms (which i don't unless provoked, and am then more than happy to push buttons and limits--always), who wasn't scared of them and who smiled and laughed a lot.

visitordesign

it's actually a play on those little toy sculptures that squirt water when you pull their shorts down.

sentinel4675

hyper, how can what the OP said be without biased. Of course it is biased toward his way of thinking. I'm not saying it is wrong, but we all see things with our own biases. Why is it that the OP is truthful and the cop is not? Again, I know I wasn't there and I don't know what happened. It is still wrong for someone to completely disregard the property of another. If the officer over reacted then he is wrong.

Visitor,
I don't think I would have arrested you either. What you did was vandalism and a crime, but the area looks like it has had plenty to begin with. There is also the arguement that a stand has to be taken somewhere and arresting you may have been a start. Just because something is old and dirty doesn't give you the right to deface it further.

humancongereel

if the area was already dirty, dilapidated and covered in poorly scrawled/sprayed grafitti, people like visitor who cover walls with nicely designed, artistic, carefully done works are doing the neighborhood a favor and making it look better. guerilla public art, if you will.

i'm behind that sort of graf.

ZachS

this thread is proof that they need to start doing community policing for real. the only thing that will solve the problem is having more punker and artist cops.

hyperRevue

I said "assuming" what the OP said was factual and unbiased.
And we have to do that because he is only one who was there and his story is the only account on which we have to base our opinions and comments.
If you're assuming what he said is spun in a different light, than there is no point in even partaking in the discussion.
Is there another side to this story, of course.
But the "facts" seem pretty straight forward and objective: dude crashed, placed bag of tools on hood of car, cop yelled at him and threated to arrest him.

No one has said that the cop isn't "truthful," just that he overreacted. Furthermore, the cop involved isn't here to be "truthful" or not, so I don't even know what that has to do with anything.