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Old 08-30-06, 08:28 PM   #1
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Pake framset

What are you opinions?..i mean if you got one. I know it looks cool in the pic. Thinking of getting one.
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Old 08-30-06, 08:35 PM   #2
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Here's what's been said about it on BF:

http://tinyurl.com/oafsu
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Here's what's been said about it on BF:

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*cough* aren't you selling one? *cough*

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Old 08-31-06, 01:14 PM   #5
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Fixedgear gallery just posted a review:
http://fixedgeargallery.com/framebuilders/pake/

I'm not sure if I agree with the "super stiff" fork finding. The front end of my Pake seems as congenial as that on any of my other bikes, even on 700x23c tires. Maybe I have mushy arms, or maybe the forks vary. Anyway, forks are easy to replace.

My Surly Cross Check may be more versatile, but my Pake is more fun.
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baldylocks just picked up one of these frames. i haven't talked to him about how he likes it yet. and there was one parked down the street earlier today when i was bringing my lunch back to work.
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Old 08-31-06, 02:37 PM   #7
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Fixedgear gallery just posted a review:
http://fixedgeargallery.com/framebuilders/pake/

I'm not sure if I agree with the "super stiff" fork finding.
i definitely don't agree. i agree with your disagree. the fork is fine (functionally, not aesthetically) but it gets the job done. get one, you'll like it. i throw mine. takes it like a champ. I'll try to get pictures next time i'm around a digicam

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Old 08-31-06, 06:08 PM   #8
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I just built one up last week and I love that thing. I built it cuz I wanted something to be a little harder on and xthugmurderx is 100% right, it takes it like a champ.
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Personally, I think that it's freakin' SLICK!

I want one. But I lack funds, and haven't ridden this Fuji frame into the ground yet. -_-;;
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I'm happy that I didn't get one. For the cost of the Pake framset and a little bit, I got a real track frame of columbus steel and campy/cinelli components. That's a rare find, but you can find good track bikes for cheaper than you can build up a pake.
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I'm happy that I didn't get one. For the cost of the Pake framset and a little bit, I got a real track frame of columbus steel and campy/cinelli components. That's a rare find, but you can find good track bikes for cheaper than you can build up a pake.
Way to name drop. With all those well known brand names your bike must handle great and fit your perfectly!
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...and it must be fast as light
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Old 08-31-06, 08:55 PM   #13
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I'm happy that I didn't get one. For the cost of the Pake framset and a little bit, I got a real track frame of columbus steel and campy/cinelli components. That's a rare find, but you can find good track bikes for cheaper than you can build up a pake.
depends... you can always find good deals, i got my pake frame for $200 and a $20 fork. now find me a nice steel track frame for under $220.


as for my opinion of the pake (as an owner), i think it's a nice frame. it's a little heavy but it is clean and takes a beating. i thought the fetish and level frames that are always on ebay are freakin UGLY. didn't like the cable braze-ons on the cityfixed (nor the reputation of NYCbikes). though the spicer frame was in an ugly color (school bus yellow). so i was basically down to the mercier kiloTT and the pake. i bought the first one i found at the better price.

this was before i saw the green kiloTT's though, i wish i'd known those were coming!

however at $309? that's starting to get steep for me, i might splurge another $20 for an Angus.
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***Warning! Cynical Message Alert***

These Pake frames sure are pretty...seriously...I think they look really really nice. However, they're made with plain old 4130 (not even a treated version like true temper as far as I can tell). They weigh in at over 5 pounds and the fork is no featherweight either. I just have to wonder why people would consider buying these for $320 when they could pick up an old beater to convert. There are plenty of bikes out there made of 4130, a variety of Reynolds Steels, Tange Steels, etc for under $100....and I mean complete bikes that you can still use many of the old parts. I have 2 Treks right now that are incredible after 20 years. Even if you decided to get a paint job for the frame, it would still cost less than $100 for the paint. Anyhow....as I write this, it seems a bit jerky and judgemental...that's not my intention. I just feel a bit underinformed of why folks would go this route if they could pick up something used and old that is going to be cheaper and just as good. Am I just and old fogey that can't keep us with the times?
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difference in geometry and bottom bracket height? that's a few reasons. i think that a rear facing track dropout is a whole hell of a lot easier to deal with that stupid road frames. i got mine at shop discount for $185. I had all the other components with the exception of a 27.0 seatpost and 1" threadless headset already (phil/open pro wheels, phil bottom bracket, sugino mighty cranks, bontrager stem and deda elementi drops) minus 27.0 seatpost and 1" threadless headset already...i can't really think of a reason not to get one. can you? sure they're heavy (roughly translated to "takes a beating") and the fork is ugly (but i hate when only aethestics are considered, you can keep your colored rims). I don't know. it works for what i use it for.

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it's all about geometry.
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1" threaded headset? FSA Orbit X - it's even cartridge bearing. Done. A lot of shops still sell it w/out the fork, so you can provide your own (I got my frame at a co-op called the Bike Hub or something). You could either get a Steamroller fork for it which is lugged or pull a chromed road fork from the used pile of any bike shop.

The geometry of the bike is nice and the steel's tough. I couldn't give two ****s if it weighs a pound more than some other frame because I use it for my ****ing commuter - I'm not doing a time trial up the alpes.
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difference in geometry and bottom bracket height? that's a few reasons. i think that a rear facing track dropout is a whole hell of a lot easier to deal with that stupid road frames. i got mine at shop discount for $185. I had all the other components with the exception of a 27.0 seatpost and 1" threadless headset already (phil/open pro wheels, phil bottom bracket, sugino mighty cranks, bontrager stem and deda elementi drops) minus 27.0 seatpost and 1" threadless headset already...i can't really think of a reason not to get one. can you? sure they're heavy (roughly translated to "takes a beating") and the fork is ugly (but i hate when only aethestics are considered, you can keep your colored rims). I don't know. it works for what i use it for.

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okay...for that price, it's DEFINITELY worth it. i have a few bikes right now and if I came across a Pake frame for $185, I would probably buy it. the geometry thing i'm not clear on. if you mean it has nice relaxed geometry, so does my 83 trek 400 that i picked up complete for $65....some would say I paid too much.

edit: I also don't give a flip what the fork looks like as long as it holds the wheel, fits in the head tube and holds the stem. however, it ain't light........
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the geometry isn't all that relaxed. that's the point. it's the same as the rush, if i remember correctly. i dunno, i'll admit to talking crap on them a while back, but that was all unsubstantiated and stupid. they're nice frames for what they are.
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crap talker! comin' back to philly?

anyway, just built one o' these for a friend. we opted for a threaded fork. seemed pretty nice, not light, but it wasn't mind-bogglingly heavy either. i like that the decals were so easy to remove. seatpost was a ***** to get in, and yes i'm aware they are 27.0.
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meh, mine is lighter than my friends full keirin level, so i win (i'm faster too (that's right tom)). and maybe someday, but i don't know when. ****s hit the fan.

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for the same $ you can pick a 56cm gt gtb on the bay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1
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I wouldnt be caught within 100 feet of anything that GT made.
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depends... you can always find good deals, i got my pake frame for $200 and a $20 fork. now find me a nice steel track frame for under $220.
Okay, how about $250 built up? Do that with anything but the worst parts on a pake and I'll be impressed. If you're willing to look harder, it's easy to find a good bike at a good price that is much more personal than a mass-produced pake.

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Way to name drop. With all those well known brand names your bike must handle great and fit your perfectly!
I only dropped the names I needed to. Columbus indicates the quality of the steel--arguably the best. Campy and Cinelli indicate the quality of the components--also the best. If it were a track bike made out of cro mo or hi ten with ****ty parts it'd be a different story. If I was dropping names I would have told you what the manufacturer of the frame is, cause it is collectible, but I find the frame material and parts more important than who exactly made it, as long as the manufacturer knew what they were doing.. But what exactly I got doesn't matter as far as this topic is concerned.

And btw, it's not a fluke, I have two track bikes both columbus one high end parts one mid end parts both cases $250.

And oh yeah, both of them are 54 CM, ideal track size for my body. I don't reach too far on either of these bikes, and yeah, it does handle sweet. It's zippy and fun and I'm thrilled about it, you cynical bastards*.

*you does not necessarily mean you.
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I wouldnt be caught within 100 feet of anything that GT made.
whoa - easy there tiger

really?

not even their 853 reynolds track frames?

yet your considering one of the cheapest wannabe fixed gear framesets?
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