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Old 09-02-06, 07:42 AM   #1
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Japanese Keirin info

Looking for more info on Watanabe and Maeda keirin frames. Value, quality, history, etc.
ANY info is greatly appreciated. Thanks alot.
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Old 09-02-06, 09:38 AM   #2
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Looking for more info on Watanabe and Maeda keirin frames. Value, quality, history, etc.
ANY info is greatly appreciated. Thanks alot.
i can tell you my watanabe is the ****tttt
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Old 09-02-06, 07:04 PM   #3
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Cool thanks. Whats an acceptable price to pay for one?
BTW, post of pic of yours if you got it.
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Old 09-02-06, 09:15 PM   #4
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Oh yeah. The deal is that i now have access to a few sexy old keirin framesets. Thinking about keeping one for me and selling the others into the US or just trade for parts. Would like to see the things getting some use instead of sitting in a corner like they are now.
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Old 09-03-06, 12:24 PM   #5
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tomity's site has some info on k bikes

http://homepage.mac.com/tomity/PhotoAlbum37.html
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i bought my watanabe frame for around $350. really depends on the condition.
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Old 09-03-06, 12:44 PM   #7
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it depends on the condition. i payed about 350 for my watanabe.
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thanks for the info guys
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Old 09-03-06, 05:34 PM   #9
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also see http://www.cyclingforums.com/t349438.html
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This is from Tomity -

This is list of all the companies that make njs-certified parts
It withdraws it is scheduled not to use it in 2008 now though parts of the
company that gave up one's business can be used.


SUGINO TECHINO(SUGINO CYCLE INDUSTRIES, Ltd)
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/products_e.html
(BB axle,Cranks,Chainrings,Cogs,Seat post)

SHIMANO
http://cycle.shimano.co.jp/publish/c...sic/jp/ja.html
(BB axle,Cranks,Chainrings,Cogs,Seat post,Hubs,Head fittings)

HATTA
http://www.hattass.co.jp/bicycle.html
(BB axle,Head fittings)

NITTO
http://www16.ocn.ne.jp/~nitto210/
(Bars,Stems,Seat posts)

KYOKUTO INDUSTRIES, Ltd
http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~kakumaru/
(Pedals)

MIKASHIMA
http://www.mkspedal.com/
(Pedals,Toe clips,Clip bands,Chain tugs)

MINOURA
http://www.minoura.jp/index_j.htm
(Toe clips)

DAIDO (D.I.D.)
http://www.did-daido.co.jp/
(Chain)

HOKOKU H.K.K. CHAIN
(Chain)

IZUMI CHAIN
(Chain)

FUJITOSHI
(Clip bands)

ASAHI SPOKES
(Spokes)

TSUKIBOSHI SPOKE
http://www.tsukiboshi.co.jp/jp/index.html
(Spokes)

HOSHISPOKE
http://www.cycle-kansai.com/company/hoshi/index.html
(Spokes)

KASHIMA SADDLE
(Saddles)

ARAYA RIMS
http://www.araya-kk.co.jp/
(Rims)

TOKYO SEIBYOSYO
http://www.tobyo.com/
(Chain tugs)

DAIWABO
http://www.daiwabo.co.jp/english/index.html
(Tublar Tire)

TANGE SEIKI
(finished ?)
(Head fittings)

SAKAE RINGYO
(finished)
(Cranks,Chainrings,Seat posts)

ARIAKE
(finished)
(Saddles)

FUJITA SADDLE
(finished)
(Saddles)

KASHIMA SADDLE
(finished)
(Saddles)

SUNSHIN
(finished)
(Hubs,Cogs)

SUZUE
(2005 finished)
(Hubs)

SUNTOUR MAEDA INDUSTRIES, Ltd
(1994 finished)
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%...82%A2%E3%83%BC
(BB axle,Cranks,Chainrings,Cogs,Seat post,Hubs,Head fittings,Pedals)

CAMPAGNOLO(Keirin for NJS track parts)
CAMPAGNOLO was withdrawn from the NJS standard in 2007.
(BB axle,Cranks,Chainrings,Cogs,Seat post,Hubs,Head fittings,Pedals,Toe clips)

CINELLI(Keirin for NJS track parts)
CINELLI was withdrawn from the NJS standard many years ago
(Saddles,Bars,Stems)



NJS Keirin track frames(36 builders/2006)

BRIDGSTONE
http://www.bscycle.co.jp/

PANASONIC
http://www.panabyc.co.jp/

CHERUBIM
http://www.cs-cherubim.com/

MAKINO
http://www.cc.rim.or.jp/~mackino/

KALAVINKA
http://www.kalavinka-bikes.com/

LEVANT

NAGASAWA
http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~nagasawa/index.html

SHIMAZAKI
http://www.shimazaki-c.co.jp/info/shop.htm

RAP
http://www.cycleland.jp/

LEVEL
http://www.tokyo-arakawa.com/matsuda/index.html

KIYO MIYAZAWA
http://www.kiyo-miyazawa.com/

PLOCION
http://www.cf-ono.com/index.html
PROTON
cycletec@d6.dion.ne.jp

BARAMON
baramon-cdm@mx2.tiki.ne.jp
VIVALO

NAMBEI

EIMEI

WATANASBE

UMEZAWA

SAMSON

YANAGISAWA

GAN WELL

GEORAMA

CIVLAS

VOGUE

IRIBE

MAEDA

OSCA

OHTAKI

STRATOS

GIRO

BOMBER PRO

ERBA

PRESTO

M-IDEA

LIGHTNNING(2007,maybe finished)

KEIRIN WEAR,GOODS

MEDALIST PLANNING
http://www.rakuten.co.jp/medalist/
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thanks for the info guys
Most resales for Watanabe is high. most good ones are $750 - $1400 US. Watanabe is near Ichikawa.

Maeda seen them but never bought one.

Sent PM to you but no response.

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Most resales for Watanabe is high. most good ones are $750 - $1400 US. Watanabe is near Ichikawa.

Maeda seen them but never bought one.

Sent PM to you but no response.

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I never recieved you PM. ??
Thanks for the info on the Watanabe. Im thinking of buying it and the Maeda and riding the Maeda.
Only issue is that i want to run a front brake. I have to find a banded brake to work on the forks.
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is selling that frame fork bb and headset for 650 too low?
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I never recieved you PM. ??
Thanks for the info on the Watanabe. Im thinking of buying it and the Maeda and riding the Maeda.
Only issue is that i want to run a front brake. I have to find a banded brake to work on the forks.

What part of Tokyo r u in?

Finding a brake there is easy. Go to RAP Nemoto san will take care of you.

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What part of Tokyo r u in?

Finding a brake there is easy. Go to RAP Nemoto san will take care of you.

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I live in Koto ku..15 minute ride to Tokyo Station.
Im not familiar with RAP. Where is that? What is that?
thanks again

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Look at the list of keirin builders, RAP Nemoto san is a keirin frame builder.

He is in Matsudo . Take Chiyoda line to get to him.

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man those orange handlebars on the rap site are amazing. i've never seen those on any build before. here's my watanabe.
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Hey thanks for the pics of your bikes. Makes me kinda want to go with the watanabe instead of the maeda. Although i like the maeda color better. Its green.
One other question that i just though of while looking at your pics. Are there any rear spacing issues on these? Are they odd or normal?
I could ask the guy at the shop but they wont be open for 24 hours. thanks
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mine is 120, but that doesn't mean anything. ahh, you're so lucky to be in tokyo.
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mine is 120, but that doesn't mean anything. ahh, you're so lucky to be in tokyo.
Ah...meaning normal spacing. So good to hear. Thanks. Ill measure of course before i buy.
Meh, being in tokyo isnt THAT lucky. Most parts are pretty expensive IMO. Except for old school Keirin frames. Seriously though, finding these frames in bigger sizes isnt that easy in my experience. Most Japanese people are small and so are most racers i guess. Luckily i found a place that has 3 frame sets that are large. Large being 55cm. Not THAT large but it seems to be here. Luckily for me, thats me size.
nine, what size is your frame?
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i ride 49/50 track and 51 road. that watanabe is a 51.5, but it fits me perfectly since the top tube is 52.5, which is what i prefer in both road and track. another reason i love japan is that everything is in my size! i went shopping for new clothes yesterday and almost everything was xxxl. even american "small" fits me like a medium, whereas euro and asian sizes are spot on.
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ahh, yeah youd be set here. Especially for frames.
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There are bigger frames than 55cm, trust me.

doing the english teacher thing? I miss Tokyo alot.

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Ceya, where is a good spot to look for larger frames in Tokyo? I arrive in Tokyo on 9/15, and will be there for a little over a month. I am really hoping to hunt down some cool fixie frames/parts, but don't have any idea where to start looking. I'm a tall guy, and ride a 58-59cm track frame...seems like those would be hard to find. Any help you can offer would be really appreciated!
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