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Old 09-02-06, 10:25 AM   #1
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Bare Knuckle Frames ??

I'm wondering WHO really make this frame.

On various website it's written that this frame is made in Italy near Venice from Dedacciai tubing.
I'm Italian and I can't locate the maker, I written e-mails to find where exacly they are made to Euro Asian Imports and every US shop who sell them, nobody anwered.

Since the frame is bare without any kind of marking, ARE WE REALLY SURE that this frame is made in Italy and not in Taiwan??

(I've got nothing against taiwanese frames, I just want to know WHO make the frame)
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Old 09-02-06, 10:34 AM   #2
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See this thread + linked threads:
http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-102215

They explain all the confusion and have definite statments that the Bareknuckle ain't made in Taiwan.
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Old 09-02-06, 12:49 PM   #3
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it would be atleast 1000 $ if it was made in italy.
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it is made in venezia by nassuno
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it is made in venezia by nassuno
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have you looked it up online all of the uk shops call thenm the eai bare knuckle nassuno

edit sorry nessuno

http://www.businesscycles.com/nessuno.htm
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Old 09-02-06, 02:51 PM   #7
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have you looked it up online all of the uk shops call thenm the eai bare knuckle nassuno

WTF? Dude, business cycles is not a UK shop. They just call them Nessuno because they didn't like the bareknuckle name.

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Frame decals: None. The US distributor of this frameset (Euro-Asia Imports) calls it the "Bareknuckle"and you may find it from other vendors listed as such. Since there are no identifying graphics applied to the frame however, I have taken the liberty of listing it here as Nessuno (Italian for "no one").

The reason no one knows who makes them is probably because EAI contracted an otherwise well known or local custom builder that would usually sell frames for much more to do a batch run of frames. This will be done for a number of reasons... one of which is if the builder isn't getting as much business as usual rather than have down time they pump out more off the rack frames.

This has been done in the states but it's usually a hush hush agreement so as to not affect a builder's normal business or potential customers.
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either my reading comprehension is off.. or those linked threads have no answers...or a lot of diffferent answers. whats the truth..
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zerobug does have a point

all the bbs are stamped venezia thats all I got
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nessuno means no-name or nameless in italian.
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"Nessuno" means No-one in english

I can't understand all the mistery about the frame, IF it's really made in Italy I want to know where and I wan't to see a "made in Italy" sticker on the frame.

In the European Community it's illegal to sell anything without a label stating where a thing is made.

In fact Hubjub tecnically can't sell the frames of legally unknow origin
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But... they are of known origin. A contractor for EAI located in Venezia. While it's annoying I don't think they really have to publish who the builder is much like big brands don't have to publish what company in Taiwan makes their frames.

Call them up: 00-1-818-248-1814

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call eai in san jose,ca if you want the answer that is the only thing I can say
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Old 09-02-06, 04:37 PM   #14
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my guess? china.
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Old 09-02-06, 04:55 PM   #15
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another meaningful discussion.
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Maybe it's not enough that they're super light, look great and actually come in a variety of colors? I suppose if you're worried that underage kids are slave-laboring them into existence, then I could understand concern. Otherwise, though, why worry? They're great frames.
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the Bare Knuckle is handmade for EAI by a small shop in Venezia Italy.
Thats what bike biz says.
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I don't get the skepticism. Every bit of information on these frames, from the distributor, to the shops that sell them, all say the same thing: MADE IN ITALY. Do you guys need a ****ing polaroid of the guy welding them to believe it? Do you think EAI is "pulling a fast one" on you?? Call Mulder and Scully! We'll get to the bottom of this Bareknuckle caper in no time!
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ok I will tell you what on tuesday I will call marty at the bike biz and have him call eai and ask and then I will get back to you ok
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Euro-Asia Imports

818-248-1814

we want the poloroid!
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Ok-
I asked David about these frames during a visit and they are made in Italy of Dedacciai tubing. They were made specifically for EAI to be an affordable entry level track frame, geometry and all.

The boxes the frames were shipped in were from Italy to add to it, not anywhere is Asia.

EAI is reputable and not out to screw anyone over. They are a business that carries a passion for the sport of cycling as displayed in their inventory, history, and hospitality. They care about the quality of the items they distribute and are innovators themselves. They put care behind what they do. Satisfaction is the goal of their efforts. Not a quick buck on the cheap.
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I like the frames and I like their simplicity. I would argue the welds should be nicer for a $575 frame. Just sayin.
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HubJub in the UK sell them. Try emailing Willl and asking. He's very helpful and a straight shooter.

http://www.hubjub.co.uk/eai/eai.htm
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EAI is reputable and not out to screw anyone over. They are a business that carries a passion for the sport of cycling as displayed in their inventory, history, and hospitality.
It's good to hear this from someone who has dealt with them firsthand, because they come across as sketchy in a lot of ways (their barely-working website, their refusal to release any information about the Bareknuckle's geometry (even to their dealers?!)). Their cogs are certainly nice, but I would really like to know as the OP pointed out why there's not some kind of "made in italy" sticker, EU requirements or not.
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eai also happens to be the local distributor for gan well pro and nagasawa so why are we worried about their business practices I have never had a problem Callin em up and asking a question or two
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