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    i hope i'm wrong about this...

    my resent ebay purchase (too good to be true) gave way to google time on my mac. what i found is of concern - well, to me anyway.

    my specialized 06 s-works langster frame (freshly purchased on ebay) is eerily similar to a generic track frame offered in a catalogue from a mass producing manufacture of cycling goods from asia.

    "currently supply to global customers and many of them are the most reputed bicycle assemblers, such as Jamis, DMR, Ritchey, Surly, QBP, Planet X, Dawes, Greenspeed, Rans, Da Bomb, VooDoo, Sachs and so on."

    not uncommon these days to be sure, however:

    a.) an s-works langster track frame is made from top-shelf "columbus SLX" (as stated on specialized website)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/Road-Track-Singl...QQcmdZViewItem

    b.) the ar7048 track frame, from common "7005"

    http://bicycle-frame.bicyclenet.com....ame/AR7048.htm
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    The dropouts, chainstays, and seattube all look significantly different

    edit: track ends, not dropouts. you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy_jazz
    The dropouts, chainstays, and seattube all look significantly different

    edit: track ends, not dropouts. you get the point.
    really?

    they seem alike to me

    i hope your right
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    Whats the price difference? Damn, id like to buy frames from that place. Like buy MANY. I wonder if theyll deal with me.
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    Just on my first glance the track ends seemed obviously different to me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityhurts
    really?

    they seem alike to me

    i hope your right
    yeah, the track ends on the asian one are higher quality with steel inserts. you
    can see the screws. But the Langster frame is almost 500g lighter. So maybe
    check the weight when you get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sohi
    yeah, the track ends on the asian one are higher quality with steel inserts. you
    can see the screws. But the Langster frame is almost 500g lighter. So maybe
    check the weight when you get it.


    are you/all taking into account that the ar77048 picture is actually an illustration enhanced photo?

    if so, man - i need spectacles


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    i second the trackend observation... the downtube on the maxway looks a bit wider and more oval as well.
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    seat tube flares a little more on the maxway

    but they are close
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    Quote Originally Posted by killsurfcity
    i second the trackend observation... the downtube on the maxway looks a bit wider and more oval as well.
    your right about the dt being wider

    kinda like those "leader" track frames

    and leaders sport drop-outs with steel inserts...

    this forum is a fricking "think tank"

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    this should help:

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    not the same bikes

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    the headtube looks super short on the maxway. not so w/ the langster. the langster's top tube shape doesn't look round where it joins the seat tube, but it could be my eyes. can't tell what shape the maxway's top tube is.
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    the front end of the Maxway (top tube and down tube) looks quite a bit different then the front end of the Langster.

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    The '07 Langsters are now equipped with steel inserts on the track-ends, maybe that Maxway is just an '07 Langster. Or maybe it is an '07 Bianchi Pista Concept. Either way, I doubt that a small-time asian company is going to have the resources to come up with their own track bike with it's own geometry when they can just buy a bunch of non-badged track frames that have already been produced.

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    it seems though from what i've been able to dig up on the interweb they aren't that small time. just not known here yet. i'd say its more likely they manufacture the frames that get rebadged by the big companies, but still badge some themselves. just guessing tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet sanchEz
    I doubt that a small-time asian company is going to have the resources to come up with their own track bike with it's own geometry when they can just buy a bunch of non-badged track frames that have already been produced.
    I think this is one of those Taiwainese companies that makes the frames for everyone else. Maybe they have to use a different shaped drop tube or something to protect Specialized's intellectual property or something? Regardless of whether it's a "specialized" or a "maxway", if it's coming from the same place and it's made by the same people/robots, it should be a good deal.

    Is there any way to actually order the frames on that site? I'd be interested in seeing how much they are selling these for (esp. the 853 lugged road frame)...

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    yeah, i was thinking that too. i wrote them an email. lets see if i get a reply. i'm guessing if i get a price it'll be $500+. like the duratec magnetic ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmg
    \Regardless of whether it's a "specialized" or a "maxway", if it's coming from the same place and it's made by the same people/robots, it should be a good deal.
    With different tubing.

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    Isn't that a repainted Fetish/Leader frame?

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    the fetish/leader ones have replacable trackend covers tho, don't they?
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    interesting...wish i could see how much they were selling for.

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    i'm stumped as to what it is but i'm pretty sure what it ain't; the s-works langsters have a slight taper and pinch to their top tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnydelnegro
    interesting...wish i could see how much they were selling for.
    i agree

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    like i said. i emailed them with a serious inquiry. if they holler back i will post here.
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