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Old 09-24-06, 06:23 PM   #1
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Contest: Which frame has been sold under the most brands?

I'll start:

http://www.leaderbikeusa.com/Auction...LUE/HEADER.jpg
http://ridefetish.com/pics/product/648/648.jpg

http://www.opusbike.com/pdf/Libretto06.jpg <-- Edit: Oops, different bike.

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Old 09-24-06, 06:25 PM   #2
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different TT and dropouts.

not to mention the lack of those NASTY welds.
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Old 09-24-06, 06:32 PM   #3
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Good call on the tt. Welds are just a matter of quality control requirements. It's total conspiracy theory, but I'm guessing it's the same frame w/ just a different tt spec'd.
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Old 09-24-06, 06:50 PM   #4
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Windsor/Motobecane/Fuji?
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Old 09-24-06, 07:23 PM   #5
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the leader and the fetish are built in the same place, but the opus is actually decently nice.
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Old 09-24-06, 07:42 PM   #6
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Alright, that's two. I'll ditch the Opus on the off chance that it's not one and the same.
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Old 09-24-06, 07:52 PM   #7
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The seat stay on the leader is crimped too.
The DT is larger(look by the bb shell cause the HT is confusing)
The track ends are completely different.
The welds aren't even close in style if that is a quality control issue it's a huge one.

How do we even know these are made in the same factory? Is there anything other then internet rumor?

I think some poeple should spend some timehere
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Old 09-24-06, 08:00 PM   #8
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/\ hahahah nice one
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Oooh, interweb burn.

You're totally right, there's no way that frame could use any of the same tubes. Especially not something knocked out by some generic factory and certainly not when Opus is owned by OGC (Outdoor Gear Canada - Canadian parts supplier). They'd have no reason to ever talk to any major production factories in Taipei, etc. and get their "own" design spit out. It'd certainly be impossible to just place, say a minimum order of $5000 and get whatever product you wanted w/ your logo on it even when other companies are selling the exact same thing or minor variations of it.

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Old 09-24-06, 11:23 PM   #10
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those welds are absolutely inexcusable.
that's all i have to say about this entire topic.
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who gives a sht about welds?
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The Opus ****ing rocks.
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Isn't that refered to as pilot welding? Pil' ot on and hope it holds?

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those welds are absolutely inexcusable.
that's all i have to say about this entire topic.
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Old 09-25-06, 08:08 AM   #14
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who gives a sht about welds?
Welders
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Old 09-25-06, 08:17 AM   #16
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But apparently NOT people who've survived having the top of their seat tube separate from their frame while riding.
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The Opus ****ing rocks.
Yeah, that's a sharp bike.
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Yeah, that's a sharp bike.
Hey...OT, but nice game. Your man Palmer got his sh*t together and was playing like he knows how. (For the record, Big Ben was on the Bengals payroll yesterday. )
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how about the KHS/ Mercier/ Spicer

or for hubs... the Formula/ Velocity/ IRO/ NYCBikes/ Felt/ Ambrosia puppies you see everywhere.
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Ya, all jackassing and conspiracy theorizing aside, this thread actually does serve a purpose. If a decent list can come together of the same products under different names/prices, it can go in the "budget" thread and give people some more options than they might be aware of.

Edit: Oh, and here's a link to the 2007 Libretto for those who liked the 2006 model: http://www.opusbike.com/pdf/OpusCatal2007.pdf.
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But apparently NOT people who've survived having the top of their seat tube separate from their frame while riding.
If you're referring to my GT exploding while I was riding, that wasn't a matter of welds.

A lot of weld material seems like not a bad thing.
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If you're referring to my GT exploding while I was riding, that wasn't a matter of welds.

A lot of weld material seems like not a bad thing.

it is a bad thing. it points to poor penetration.
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If you're referring to my GT exploding while I was riding, that wasn't a matter of welds.

A lot of weld material seems like not a bad thing.
Yeah I know that wasn't actually a matter of bad welds in that case, but you have to admit exploding frames are no fun.

A crummy looking weld MAY be plenty strong, but as others have mentioned poor penetration means the weld will likely fail prematurely. Good looking welds are one hallmark of a quality product. One that will hold up even under abuse.
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Listen guys, if I was in the business of thinking reasonably when it comes to bikes, I wouldn't ride a pursuit bike that's 5cm too small for me.

So what I'm saying here is, you're only allowed to tell me things that enable my stupid decisions. Dig it?
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...is never a good thing.
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