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Old 09-24-06, 09:24 PM   #1
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Messenging:career opportunity?

Ok, I am new to this single speed and fixed gear scene. Anyways, Im seriously thinking of becoming a messenger. I mean, like totally takeing biking to a whole new level. Anyway, I am 16 so im def to young to actually get a job, and plus i live in the burbs of NYC. But, Im thinking if all else fails(college and the lack of interest in wearing a suit everyday), I'll put my life on the line everyday and become a messenger. I would have to buy a fixed bike because i would feel like a tool with my 18sp cdale. Anyways, I wanted some input on this whole messenging buisness. Is it really worth putting you life on the line, smelling terrible all day, and getting little respect from cars and pedestrians with not so great pay?

Il bet this thread has been posted, I would love some input though.

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Oh and how you guys ride without brakes is crazy, I dont think I would ever do that, thats too extreme.
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umm always a heated topic. If you love riding then you cant beat working and doing what you love. If you have a materialistic lifestyle you may want to try college

and keep your 18spd. Alot of messengers have brakes and gears and dont lose any respect.
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as an editor i feel it's actually a huge cop-out to end a piece with a quote. after all, if it's been said better—more succinctly, eloquently, insightfully, pertinently etc—then what the hell am i reading you for?
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eddie... long time man. It is actually a "rule", if people actually follow those things, to not end or begin with a quote in any type of writing with one exception....

The obituary.
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hey man. true, long time. how's everything?
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Hahaha, are you fcking serious? You're right, only materialistic people go to college. Or you know, people that want to learn things high school and the school of hard knocks can't teach them? Or you know, people that want to do things that require degrees?

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as an editor i feel it's actually a huge cop-out to end a piece with a quote. after all, if it's been said better—more succinctly, eloquently, insightfully, pertinently etc—then what the hell am i reading you for?
Haha, you do realize you're commenting on his sig, right?
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Hahaha, are you fcking serious? You're right, only materialistic people go to college. Or you know, people that want to learn things high school and the school of hard knocks can't teach them? Or you know, people that want to do things that require degrees?

Yeah, *** the system! College is materialism incarnate!
No No vomit... I was simly saying that if he needs things that are kind of unnecessary statistics show that he will earn more with a degree.

Im in college right now. I couldnt be a messenger because i need a new mac every 2 years and new socks every 2 weeks. Fancy socks. With polka dots and stripes.

I wasnt trying to imply that he would have to be materialistic in a negative manner. Some people just need more money to be happy. Some people just need a bike to be happy.
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If you have a materialistic lifestyle you may want to try college

I assume you didn't go to college.

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what could i possibly say to an articulate, literate 16 year-old about the rationality of choosing a messenger job over going to college?
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Messengering is not cut out for everyone, i for one love riding my bikes, but hated the messenger job. I stuck it out for 3/4 months or so and moved on. So before making such a serious comittment, give a go at breakaway or urban express, where positions open up weekly, so you can start right away, and feel it out.

Personally, i think it's best as a second job, work in retail or food mon-thurs after school, and then leave messengering for fri or so. I say this because it takes alot to ride your bike 6 to 10 hours a day, 5 days a week, back to back, so one needs to be, generally, in great shape to be able to handle it all. For instance I had a teacher who messengered after 3 when school finished up, so he got his steady pay from teaching, but got a nice bit or riding in while making a few bucks. Also consider, i mean this is worst case, but in the event something goes wrong for you, and every now and then they do, and you can no longer cycle for a living, you kinda should have a plan b.
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as an editor i feel it's actually a huge cop-out to end a piece with a quote. after all, if it's been said better—more succinctly, eloquently, insightfully, pertinently etc—then what the hell am i reading you for?
At the honors graduation ceremony at my college, the college president actually gave a speech that was nothing but quotes... dozens of quotes from dozens of people, all strung together in no particular order. Weakest thing I've ever seen.
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Ok, I am new to this single speed and fixed gear scene. Anyways, Im seriously thinking of becoming a messenger. I mean, like totally takeing biking to a whole new level. Anyway, I am 16 so im def to young to actually get a job, and plus i live in the burbs of NYC. But, Im thinking if all else fails(college and the lack of interest in wearing a suit everyday), I'll put my life on the line everyday and become a messenger. I would have to buy a fixed bike because i would feel like a tool with my 18sp cdale. Anyways, I wanted some input on this whole messenging buisness. Is it really worth putting you life on the line, smelling terrible all day, and getting little respect from cars and pedestrians with not so great pay?

Il bet this thread has been posted, I would love some input though.

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1) There is definitely several class systems in the US Race, Economic, and Education to name three major ones. The least hard of which to get ahead in is Education.

2) Who the hell wears a suit? I've been in corporate america for 10 years and I've only worn suits to interviews, weddings, and funerals. The suit thing is only in the movies.

3) College is fun. 25,000 young adults between the ages of 18-24 (more than half are female) in one place are bound to have some fun. If I've learned anything, I've learned that going to class and studying for 4-5 years is a LOT easier than working 40 hours/week for 4-5 years. And when you come out of college, you are typically ahead of where you would be if you went straight to work for 4-5 years. (yes, I'm sure there are several PARTICULAR examples. I'm speaking in general.)

Good luck with your decision.
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carleton's comment just made me think of something. i'm a 37 year-old professional guy. love suits and have some really great ones. never have to wear one, certainly not for work. i love bikes too, and like the suits, i get to ride em when i want to, not because i have to.
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I assume you didn't go to college.

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Ha . Please see my other post. Im in college right now.

Materialistic doesnt have to be negative. again. see my other post.
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I think I'm the only one that understood the materialistic comment.

If you want to make more than $1000/2 weeks consistently, you probably don't want to be a bike messenger. I'm sure there are exceptions but a career it's not.
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Ha . Please see my other post. Im in college right now.

Materialistic doesnt have to be negative. again. see my other post.

Cool.

I've found that a lot of people who make comments like that haven't been or didn't finish college. Just like people who hate on corporations and 9-5ers that have never worked there.

Maybe "materialistic" isn't the word that best expressed the thought. I get your point now.

It's funny. I had friends that went straight to work right out of HS thinking they had a shortcut to a career track and all that. The BEST shortcut to a career is college. Heck, with a degree you can skip the entire Enlisted rank system and go in as an Officer (again, another class system) in the US military.
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Ok I understand where you can come from with choosing messenging over college. I dont know, I just get depressed at the thought of wearing a suit all day and doing something that I hate. Im just exploring my options.
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Ok, I am new to this single speed and fixed gear scene. Anyways, Im seriously thinking of becoming a messenger. I mean, like totally takeing biking to a whole new level. Anyway, I am 16 so im def to young to actually get a job, and plus i live in the burbs of NYC. But, Im thinking if all else fails(college and the lack of interest in wearing a suit everyday), I'll put my life on the line everyday and become a messenger. I would have to buy a fixed bike because i would feel like a tool with my 18sp cdale. Anyways, I wanted some input on this whole messenging buisness. Is it really worth putting you life on the line, smelling terrible all day, and getting little respect from cars and pedestrians with not so great pay?

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I take it colleges aren't teaching people to read very carefully these days.

EDIT: Come to think of it, given the way almost everybody in this thread associates college with earning potential (rather than, say, the attainment of a liberal education), is it any surprise that today's colleges churn out students who can't detect irony or shades of meaning in text? Hard to translate that into $*K/year, after all.
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(more than half are female)
NOTE: this statistic does not reflect engineering schools. Where I'm at it's 4-1 guys-girls. It's a sad, lonely life.

But regardless, I'd echo the whole go to college for a backup plan thing. That's what I'm doing. My legs twitch like crazy if i'm sitting for too long, I'm gonna need a job that keeps me moving. Not some cubicle job. My plan is to messenger with my friend after college, and then eventually find a mechanical engineering related job that I can actually stand. Or just stick with messengering if I find I really like it and can afford it.

Whatever you choose, good luck.

Oh, and yeah, you don't need a fixie to messenger. That's all blown way out of proportions from what I've seen.
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Ok I understand where you can come from with choosing messenging over college. I dont know, I just get depressed at the thought of wearing a suit all day and doing something that I hate. Im just exploring my options.

Hahahaha!

Why are you convinced that you will have to wear a suit?

Why are you convinced that after college you will pick a career that you hate?

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