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Old 09-25-06, 03:41 PM   #1
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Phil's BB/Hub worth cost?

Let's say I've got a Campy hookup: 10% over wholesale. Which means <$400 on a Campy Pista BB and both hubs.
I could however go nuts, and go Phil, for about a 60% cost increase (I can't say no to the SLR option on the High Flange hubs).

What would you do?

Given Phil's reputation for reliability until forever, should I be looking for used?
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Old 09-25-06, 03:49 PM   #2
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well, look at it this way. i have phils on 2 of my bikes. one side of one of my rears had a weird issue with the lockring threads. they're replacing that hub the next time they anodize that color. that's pretty awesome service and it's great to know that a company stands behind their product and wants their customers happy.
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Old 09-25-06, 04:19 PM   #3
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if you can swing the cost on phil wood parts, you shouldn't hesitate... but the campy stuff is not shabby either.
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Old 09-25-06, 04:59 PM   #4
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Phil Wood is meant for abuse, Campagnolo is meant for competition. Do you race track or just ride hard in all weather?
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Campy all the way. Phil schmil.
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Old 09-25-06, 06:28 PM   #6
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Campy is prettier. And lighter, I'm sure.
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I like my Campy, but it never sees the rain!
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Old 09-25-06, 08:14 PM   #8
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Phil Wood is meant for abuse, Campagnolo is meant for competition. Do you race track or just ride hard in all weather?
I guess there you have it. Certainly they're alot heavier, but durability and weatherproofing is significantly more my concern. If I was concerned with shaving grams I could take off my belt buckle. And with a life-time garuntee and great customer service, how can I say no? I think you guys just made my decision really easy.
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Old 09-25-06, 09:58 PM   #9
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lifetime guarentee is totally worth it.
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If you have a hookup at campy, it's possible you work at a shop or race or something that qualifies you for a pro deal?

In that case, Phil's got a sweet pro deal.

Either way, my commuter has phil hubs and BB on it, and it's awesome, especially in crappy weather when I don't have to worry about anything.
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Not worth it for me.
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PHIL WOOD

* Large flange "SLR" (relieved flanges for lighter weight) pairs:
o 32°×32° pair with standard single-sided rear hub - $319.50/pair
o 32°×32° pair with dual-sided (fixed/fixed) rear hub - $339.50/pair

never worrying about your hubs...ever. - priceless.
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Old 09-26-06, 11:03 AM   #13
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"campy" sounds stupid, buy phils.
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"campy" sounds stupid, buy phils.
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there you go again adding theories as though they're have some numeric value....
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"campy" sounds stupid, buy phils.
This is kind of embarassing to admit, but for the longest time I thought "campy" was referring the word campy, as in something that's kind of silly, like B horror films or whatever.

I remember talking about Ann Radcliffe's "The Mysteries of Udulpho" with someone and hearing them refer to it as a "campy" book, then reading something about "campy" bike parts online, and making some sort of weird connection between the two words. I know better now, I swear.
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Old 09-26-06, 11:26 AM   #17
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track racing=unsealed.
street riding=sealed.

phil schmil.
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Campy BB's wear out quicker than Phils. My friend had a Record BB on his road bike and he said it wore out rather quickly. He got a Phil and its working a lot longer than his Record.
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I once disliked a guy named Phil.
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Istrip cheap hubs faster than the streaks in my underwear I got a set of phils man oh man do I love em and since they are in san jose support is a three day turn around
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Old 09-27-06, 03:50 PM   #24
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track racing=unsealed.
street riding=sealed.

phil schmil.
I don't ride track. I'm interested in it, but it is not something I've ever done. The closest I've got to sprint laps at a velodrome are doing sprint laps around City Hall (which I wouldn't reccomend to everyone, but is extremely fun). So yeah, sealed bearings are more or a consideration than the nigh-imperceptible difference in smoothness between the hubs NIB.

Thank you all for your help. I think I've got to go Schmil, I mean Phil.

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