Damn those are SO ugly! I'd never want a bike with an ugly tig welded frame!
I think the OP was being sarcastic.
Edit: On the off chance that he was being sincere, I'll gladly take that tig welded A.N.T. if no one else wants it.
they're certainly pretty good as far as welds go, but they are still ugly.
Much as I appreciate lugs, and a good fillet braze, as an amateur welder I really like the look of a nice even bead like that. Then again I always have. My first BMX was tig welded, and not only did I think the welds looked really pretty, they survived my "Stunt Man Training" phase. I flew that bike off 10' jumps, crashed it into brick walls, and basically tried every way I could think of to kill us both. Miraculously we both survived.Originally Posted by shants
i would love to ride an ANT. beautiful bikes...i see 'em around boston and am always happy with how unique they are.
that head tube looks ugly the way it
sticks up way above the top tube.
what the hell, there are these beautiful lugs,
then this damn head tube thing. its like some
incredibly hot person with one freakish feature.
part of the time you're like, 'aww, yea'. then
part of the time you're gaging...
thanks, its me and my rental in rotterdam.Originally Posted by mattface
I often have that reaction to Vanillas. Incredible craftsmanship, but some of the aesthetics are not for me. That's the way it is with aesthetics though. One man's Vanilla is another man's bile. I think the functional purpose of Tall head tubes is to allow for traditional style frames with contemporary fit. In the olden days people used to fit frames with just a fist of seatpost, and a level toptube. If you want a level top tube with 8" of seatpost showing you'll need to get the bars higher in relation to the top tube as well. Many here hate sloping top tubes, and hate positive rise stems, but still want 4" of clearance for their nuts. Well if you want a good fit sometimes you have to make some aesthetic compromises. Tall head tubes are the compromise some people choose. It's really not that bad a compromise either. taken as a detail it stands out, but overall it is less distracting from the classic look than say a 35º rise in the stem.Originally Posted by travsi
There is a raffle for an ANT frame and fork at bikes not bombs. They are sell 200 tickets at $40 a piece. Kind of expensive but win a sweet frame, custom fit for you. Check out bike not bombs web page.
chicks love scars, and bones heal.
On a production bike, I'd agree with you guys. But in the case of a custom, it totally makes sense, and is still a lot better looking that a stack of spacers, if that's what it takes to get a good fit.Originally Posted by travsi
Originally Posted by Dr Irwin Goldstein
do you still ride that bmx? how are you supposed to jump anything with that seat post so high?
You're not disagreeing with me. I may not like the way a tall head tube looks, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate it's function. The thing that makes bikes beautiful is their mechanical simplicity. They are perhaps the lightest, and simplest machine capable of transporting a human being under their own power easily at speeds above 20mph. There is no greater example of form following function. A bike frame holds all the bits in just the right positions for a rider to use them efficiently. Any time you subvert function for fashion on a bicycle you are missing the point. Which brings me back to the reason I started this thread in the first place.Originally Posted by Aeroplane
Tig welds are the target of much scorn by some bike snobs, but they get the job done. They hold metal tubes together in such a way that they are very unlikely to come apart. When done in a craftsmanlike way they can look very beautiful, and their beauty is not the beauty of jewelry or bright red lipstick, it's the beauty of a machine or a part of a machine expertly crafted to serve it's intended function.
P.S. has anyone else noticed FlippingHades new Kogswell PR on velospace? talk about your beautiful bikes! a tig welded, tall head tubed, utilitarian beauty! I think I'm in love!
Man, I've gotta say that my Kogswell is the bike that made me fall in love with TIG welding (don't worry, I'm still in love with lugs too). There's a bunch of reasons, and a bunch of REALLY DAMN COOL things you can do with modern TIG welded frames.Originally Posted by mattface
First, powdercoating is a huge boon to TIG'd frames if you don't like seeing the bead. It really smoothes it over. I hardly notice the welds on my Kogswell, and if you've ever seen an ANT up close after it's been powdercoated, the bead is invisible. The tubes look like they've been glued together or something.
Second, it represents the beauty of optimized function to me -- Matthew posted a message on the iBOB list two days ago about tubing in Kogswell bikes. He explained how while custom bikes start with off-the-shelf tubing, Kogswell's "off-the-shelf" frames are all made with custom drawn tubing! Based on the angles and dimensions for each frame size, a tubing engineer creates a custom, optimized butt profile for every tube used. Brilliant. The tubing company is named ECO, by the way, and they'll make a steel tube however you want it.
I'm not sure there are even any lugs with the right angles for this frame anyway. It's based on classic Rene Herse geometry, but is otherwise a thoroughly modern frame.
Oh yeah, and the ride is incredible.
i really like more laid back lugs like the long shen long point, or some of the asymmetric pattern ones. i also like details on the top of the fork crown. however a lot of the lugs that i see on vanillas, rock lobsters and the like are a little over the top for me, especially when they're stainless and offset from the frame.
oh god, the "look of the welds" argument, seriously just bondo over them...
Originally Posted by mattface
Man, talk about putting me in the Wayback Machine.
I didn't come here, and I ain't leaving.
psht, i got you all beat
bob jackson will put hedtube extensions in their custom frames if you request it...i'd rather hit my nuts.
Originally Posted by Malibu Police Chief