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Old 10-15-06, 06:17 PM   #1
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Loc Tite?

Which Loc Tite comes with Phil BB's? Red or Blue? Thanks.
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Blue. Red won't release unless you heat it up. The blue is considered the standard assembly thread locker. Though I believe phil uses his own brand, it is most similar to blue loctite.
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Old 10-15-06, 06:23 PM   #3
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Thank you sir.
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do hardware stores usually carry loc tight?
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EEEEEEK?
loc tite on a BB?
to lock the BB into the shell?

Usually you use grease, though grease and plumbers teflon tape works really well.

Ask Freddie at citybikes to do it for you, he has this trick.
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C'mon Red, you know me. There's actually a reason to use the stuff on Phil BB's, that's why they tell you to use it and give it to you with the thing.Though I'd be interested to hear about this trick.
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Phils don't have a lip since they are adjustable. Even though, properly tightened, they shouldn't move in the shell, apparently PW feels that they need the extra insurance.
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tricks please.. my roadbike is a untreading machine
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Phils don't have a lip since they are adjustable. Even though, properly tightened, they shouldn't move in the shell, apparently PW feels that they need the extra insurance.
Yeah, I actually know somebody that had it happen, so I'm going with the insurance. This is a re-install and I never had a problem with it before.
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Blue. Red won't release unless you heat it up.
yes. yes it will. i've red loctited plenty of things. it's just stronger than the blue. with enough muscle you can looses up whatever you've loctited.

on a related note...

i dont' know if someone used loctite on it or not, but in the road frame i just recently got, the bb was stuck in there like crazy. this is how me and my mechanic had to remove it:

we had to bolt the specific bb tool to the cup using various spacers and the crank bolt. then we put the other end of the spindle and i supported the frame. then my buddy put a 3 foot section of old bike tubing over the handly for leverage and we were still pushing the goddam work bench around. it was effing insane. could not believe how tight it was in there. i was sure it was cross threaded or ****ed up in some way.

maybe it is though. i noticed on my way home today that the right hand cup on an entirely different bb had loosened off....
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You might want to try anti-seize instead of grease.
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You might want to try anti-seize instead of grease.
too much anti-seize will cause the threads to....seize up
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Loctite® Threadlocker Red
Removable with heat and hand tools
With small fasteners, its possible to remove it without heat if you can get a good grip on it, but you're pretty likely to strip the head or break the fastener.
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maybe it is though. i noticed on my way home today that the right hand cup on an entirely different bb had loosened off....

I've been told that loctite should be used on Italian BBs, is this false? I ask because I know Sloppy's road bike is a Ciocc, as is mine, and my Ciocc's BB came undone once after it was re-packed. When I took it back to the shop that did it, the mechanic said that they had forgotten to put something on the threads but I don't know what it was. This was a few years ago.
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I've been told that loctite should be used on Italian BBs, is this false? I ask because I know Sloppy's road bike is a Ciocc, as is mine, and my Ciocc's BB came undone once after it was re-packed. When I took it back to the shop that did it, the mechanic said that they had forgotten to put something on the threads but I don't know what it was. This was a few years ago.
Since since the non-driveside cup of italian bbs loosen in the direction of pedaling, in loose bearing bbs, the spinning of the cranks will loosen the cup if it is not installed correctly. Locitite is the easiest way to make sure it doesn't happen.
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too much anti-seize will cause the threads to....seize up
the irony.
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yes it is my ciocc.. but the non drive side is fine.. its the drive side that loosens, which makes no sense to me, unless i pedal backwards alot without realizing
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yes it is my ciocc.. but the non drive side is fine.. its the drive side that loosens, which makes no sense to me, unless i pedal backwards alot without realizing
I was backwards. The bearing balls will actually try to unscrew the drive side. The balls act like a jockey gear to reverse the torque of the cranks on the cups. Its a little hard to picture.
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Right. That is weird.
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oh..its a sealed BB, sorry.. but youre right.. i cant picture it
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oh..its a sealed BB, sorry.. but youre right.. i cant picture it
In that case, it doesn't make any sense to me. But loctite should fix it.
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teflon tape works great too.
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teflon tape works great too.
It deteriorates faster though, in my experience. Granted I only used it one time.
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I was backwards. The bearing balls will actually try to unscrew the drive side. The balls act like a jockey gear to reverse the torque of the cranks on the cups. Its a little hard to picture.
I'm paraphasing Sheldon Brown here..... as he explains that it is not the bearing friction that makes them unscrew themselves, but a phenomenon called "precession".

"You can demonstrate this to yourself by performing a simple experiment. Hold a pencil loosely in one fist, and move the end of it in a circle. You will see that the pencil, as it rubs against the inside of your fist, rotates in the opposite direction."

He talks about this phenomenon with regard to pedal threads, but I think you're talking about a similar situation on a BB.
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