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Old 10-17-06, 05:12 AM   #1
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all the bikes in England look like that
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Old 10-17-06, 05:21 AM   #3
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Wow! Wonder what it costs......
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Yowza!

I like it.
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It's ******** hideous.
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It's ******** hideous.
That's what I like about it. Looks wierd. In a functional, Yamaguchi way.

Don't tell me you buy those wavy Pinos for the pretty looks?
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I don't see it as functional, rather unnecessarily complicated.
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indeed.
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I thought all bikes looked like that from the UK or not! I need to travel more.
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I don't see it as functional, rather unnecessarily complicated.
Surely anything other than an aluminium Y-frame, cheap MTB style, is unneccesarily complicated?
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It's a replica of a frame design from the 60s or 70s called paris something or other. Condor still has a very small custom frame business making lugged steel bikes. I think they did this just for the bike show, but I am sure they would build you one for a wheelbarrow of money.

I think it looks ugly, although distinctive, and apparently lots of the originals failed.
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don't compare it to the yama, not even close.
it looks like a wal mart bike. almost as silly as those elevated chainstay mountain bikes, or the mid 90's cannondales ( killer-v) with the groin amputator top-top tube..
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It's a replica of a frame design from the 60s or 70s called paris something or other. Condor still has a very small custom frame business making lugged steel bikes. I think they did this just for the bike show, but I am sure they would build you one for a wheelbarrow of money.

I think it looks ugly, although distinctive, and apparently lots of the originals failed.
Here's more info on the original:

http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Bri...lier_main.htm?
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Did you know that the California Condor has a wingspan of up to nine and a half feet? I did a report on endangered birds in the fifth grade.
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Surely anything other than an aluminium Y-frame, cheap MTB style, is unneccesarily complicated?

It would depend on whether you could argue that anything else is an improvement, i.e. function over form rather than vice versa.

My bike has 'wavy' forks, but I'm sure the designer would say that they add something to the function or at least don't detract from it.

This bike is ugly IMO and probably no better than a more 'standard' bike.
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Hate it.
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I was being facetious - of course I don't actually think Y-frame mountain bikes are the daddy. I was just poking fun at people writing something off without knowing a thing about it.

So, back to this frame design. Apparently it's stiffer, though I don't think we can know without testing. . Another possible answer is that in the 40's and 50's, bikes in British races were not allowed to carry any logos or makers names. That's what prompted things like Bates Cantiflex Frames Tubes and Diadrant Forks (I have one of these) and Hetchins curly stays, and to a lesser extent, ornate lugs as well. In these cases, the makers all claimed advantages from their designs, but the reality is that these are minimal to say the least, but the bikes are immediately recognisable. I'd guess this probably falls into that category, but I'd like to know something about it before I abolutely settled on that. I think it'd be fun to have one.
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The wheelbase must be pretty short as well since the rear wheel is in so close to the BB. I think it would be wicked to have one. Especially as mine would have a 65 cm c - t seatube and so would look like several bedsteads welded together!

I think it's really cool that Condor are still making interesting, unique, handmade bikes and not just knocking out rebadged Taiwanese imports.
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It looks to me like it works a little like a curved seat tube in shortening the wheelbase, and you'd imagine that the shorter "downtube" might make it a little lighter, except that I think the tubes are bigger gauge than normal. I kinda like it, but not like I like my Cantiflex Bates. A Baines Flying Gate might be fun too, someone is remanufacturing those, I hear.
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I like it.
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Here we go - a Flying Gate. I think I like these more:

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That hideous bartape is throwing me off, but if I squint my eyes, I can see the potential.

That setup is definitely too busy, with the ******-bottle and tub accesories. Nice seat, though.
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That hideous bartape is throwing me off, but if I squint my eyes, I can see the potential.

That setup is definitely too busy, with the ******-bottle and tub accesories. Nice seat, though.
Whoa! Mr Judgmental. This from the man who cycles in a bow tie! I think thaT FLYING GATE IS ****ING AWESOME, and I could give two flying ****s what kind of water bottle or bar tape someone choses to put on their bike.
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Whoa! Mr Judgmental. This from the man who cycles in a bow tie! I think thaT FLYING GATE IS ****ING AWESOME, and I could give two flying ****s what kind of water bottle or bar tape someone choses to put on their bike.

Don't get me wrong, I like it. Just being objective, is all. I know that Sammy or yourself would do it justice. No different than commenting on the tasteful colour choices in your stable.
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No different than commenting on the tasteful colour choices in your stable.
Heh... well with the exception of the Green Machine, and my Mongoose BMX, I've never had the luxury of choosing the color of my bike. (OK, I did paint one flat black once) I really did enjoy the luxury of making aesthetic decisions on the Green machine.

While we're picking apart Sammyboy's picture what's with the crotch goggles
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