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Old 10-21-06, 02:23 PM   #1
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SPD and others for hard skidding

I'm going to buy new pedals for my fixed gear, (i'm now usung cheap ones with plastic clips); I'm interested in clipless but sometimes I read of clipless "popping out" on hard skids.
Is it true?

I can have Shimano for cheap or it's better to spend more on Time ATACs (I don't like eggbeates)

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Old 10-21-06, 02:24 PM   #2
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I have both atacs and spds. While I've never used the SPDs on a fix, I wouldn't want to.
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Old 10-21-06, 02:39 PM   #3
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Time pedals are very-very similar in function to eggbeaters, aren't they? I think the basic mechanism is the same. But then I'm an ass so ask someone else...
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i've got look pedals and they've never popped out. i run a front brake, though, so i don't skid all that often, but when i have it's been no problem.
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Farkas: Times are quite similar to 'Beaters, except on Times the bars that the cleat hook around are part of the spring (literally same piece of spring steel), while on Eggbeaters they are seperate pieces.. it's the same concept though. Times are almost always more secure, although I've put some serious force on my eggbeaters and they haven't popped out. Eggbeats are easier to properly unclip from, and Times feel like they have "Stops" at the extremes of the float. I tend to think there's less spring tension on the Eggbeaters, which is kind of a bummer because I liked the feel of my Times more. I say go with the beaters if and only if one of the following is true:

1. You're picky about aesthetics, and only beaters will cut it (this is my reason)
2. Can't get cheap Times and you're short on cash
3. You're a weight weenie and those few grams really matter to you

In fact, if you want my Time ATAC Z's that look real beat up but function flawlessly, send me a PM..
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My SPD's work just fine.
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Old 10-21-06, 07:53 PM   #7
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I've definitely yanked the HELL out of my eggbeaters with no unclips/looseness.
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I've definitely yanked the HELL out of my eggbeaters with no unclips/looseness.
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I've definitely yanked the HELL out of my eggbeaters with no unclips/looseness.
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I've definitely yanked the HELL out of my eggbeaters with no unclips/looseness.
wait 'till your cleats wear down a bit.
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wait 'till your cleats wear down a bit.
tantamount to warning people that single pivot brakes are dangerous when the pads are worn out
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I've used SPD, Eggies, and Time. I really liked the Eggies, and would probably still be riding them, if I didn't work at a bike shop and have the opportunity to try new things for cheap. The Times took some getting used to, and I was going to switch back to the Eggies for the ease of entry. However, I recently started mountain biking, and one of the complaints about the Eggies is that they release if you get a strong enough shock to the bottom of the pedal. I can't verify that personally, but the Times just look and feel burlier for trail use. Now that I've stuck with them, I really like the Times.

SPD's are great pedals to get started with, but the tension adjustment can be tricky to get right: either you pull off the top during a skid, or you can't get out when you need to.
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I've had no popping out problems with my SPDs, and no problems unclipping, either. Easy and cheap. 2500 hard commuting miles on the set of cleats I have now, and a new set of cleats is like, what, $8?

That said, if I had money to throw at pedals, I'd get Eggbeaters. I like the 4-sided entry.
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I am very wary of using clipless pedals on a fixed gear for fear that they would pop out under stress.
(like SPD's seem to do). Though I have heard good things about eggbeaters and similar designs.
(additionally jamis stocked generic but good eggbeaters on all of their mid range bikes last year and so you can buy them for a pittance at any Jamis dealer.

I would suggest that whatever you do, keep a front brake.
If you are going to run clipless I would use eggbeaters or something else that uses a similar design.

I would suggest at least trying traditional toe clips. Decent pedals, (MKS makes a nice range for very little), mated with mountain clips and a straps works quite well. I like to run a double strap, Soma makes them cheap 40 instead of the toshi 100, though you can also just run two straps.

To each their own but I recommend against SPD + brakeless.
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Old 10-22-06, 12:50 PM   #16
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go w/ pedals if you're concerned about popping out

never had any problem with my MKS sylvans, clips, and straps....100% record....my feet don't come out when they aren't supposed to, and they are easy to clip into (at least once you practice getting in clips on a fixie)
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Old 10-22-06, 02:21 PM   #17
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wait 'till your cleats wear down a bit.
hahaha i've had that problem with looks a few times....!ouch!!
I kno alot of guys using SPDs and no brakes, unless your running a HUGE gear that's going to be really hard to skid with you'll be fine!! they're cheap too!
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I'm running SPD's with no brakes.

They pop out occasionally during extreme stress, although I think this might be from improper foot positioning during unusually high and sudden torque. More often it happens to me when deciding to actually stop in a bad traffic situation; which obviously is the worst time for it to occur.

Tightening down their tension helps immensely but as someone already mentioned, it can make them a little bit tough to get out of quickly.
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youle never come out of spd-sl's but they suck for walking in.
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Eggbeaters on two mountain bikes and my fixie. No problems at all except the mentioned unclip when hitting a rock on the mtb. I wouldn't use anything else for a mountain bike in my Virginia mud. Crank bros customer service is excellent and their pedals are great. Yes if the cleats are worn they release more easily but that is true for times and spd's as well. I'm considering quattro's for my roadie so that I can use the same shoes for any of my bikes.
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Time ATAC's here... I love them, but I have accidentally unclipped while trying to skid MANY times.. I think this is due moreso to poor pedalling technique than faulty equipment.
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Time ATAC's here... I love them, but I have accidentally unclipped while trying to skid MANY times.. I think this is due moreso to poor pedalling technique than faulty equipment.
I can imagine that would be disastrous
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So far haven't popped out of my times but have out of SPDs with pretty painful results. Got a few friends who are brakeless messengers and they all swear by Times, which is more than enough endorsement for me.

As with all cleat systems you have to keep an eye on the wear and know when its time for new cleats. But I would stay clear of reet cheap SPD pedals at least.
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comradehoser: wait till your cleats wear out a bit

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tantamount to warning people that single pivot brakes are dangerous when the pads are worn out
just pointing out that yanking the hell out of eggbeaters is all good for a while, but there comes a time when pulling with enough force will unclip you. It's happened to me lots of times, even pulling straight (i.e.: not twisting and accidentally unclipping). It's not immediately obvious that using beaters wear down the cleats in the same way that use of brakes grinds down the brake pad, not only because the average person (i.e.: me) doesn't put that much thought into how cleats are wearing, but also because the beaters still hold my foot pretty well except for the odd time I really jam on them.
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I like to run a double strap, Soma makes them cheap 40 instead of the toshi 100, though you can also just run two straps.
do use the soma doublestraps? have you used other doublestraps? how do they compare? how are the buckles-- do they tighten and loosen easily? how long have you used them, do they stretch, are they holding up well? i'm v. curious in hearing some experiences with these straps.
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