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    yet another POS slave-made plastic frame


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    what is the point of this thread?

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    so you can`t afford one then
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    I thought for a second the white decals on the seat tube were cutouts. That would look pretty cool.

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    Times like this, I wish we could sage threads here on BF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiznaz
    I thought for a second the white decals on the seat tube were cutouts. That would look pretty cool.
    They're not cutouts? Damn, have to cancel my order. That would have gone nicely with a miche seatpost.

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    calling carbon fiber plastic is stupid.

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    You gotta admit, it's a really ugly frame though. The decals are bad enough, but look at where the headtube and the stem meet, there's no way to get a negative rise stem on there... what kind of a track bike is that??????????????

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    ROFL at the carbon fiber header bar on that site!
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    Quote Originally Posted by onetwentyeight
    what is the point of this thread?
    Quote Originally Posted by barba
    calling carbon fiber plastic is stupid.
    It could be an ironic reference to Walker's "$20 carbon fiber" post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike552
    You gotta admit, it's a really ugly frame though. The decals are bad enough, but look at where the headtube and the stem meet, there's no way to get a negative rise stem on there... what kind of a track bike is that??????????????
    I am sort of talking out of my ass here but it seems like a lot of track racers (keirin racers excluded) use positive rise stems and a lot of seat post to give them an aero position. I think the frame looks pretty sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike552
    You gotta admit, it's a really ugly frame though. The decals are bad enough, but look at where the headtube and the stem meet, there's no way to get a negative rise stem on there... what kind of a track bike is that??????????????
    Can't you just file a bit off the head tube?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonelesschicken
    I am sort of talking out of my ass here but it seems like a lot of track racers (keirin racers excluded) use positive rise stems and a lot of seat post to give them an aero position. I think the frame looks pretty sick.
    You're probably right. But, not like you said, not everyone uses positive rise...the stem rise/drop can do so much for proper fitting, I would never buy a frame that limits me in that aspect. That's just bad design, period.
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    People will always feel threatened by the new and different things they are completely ignorant about. Hate away predictable, backward fools. Ha ha.

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    Unless you know where and how it was made I don't see how you can make that claim. I don't find it ugly either, but whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiznaz
    I thought for a second the white decals on the seat tube were cutouts. That would look pretty cool.
    Same here. Miche seatpost would match it well.

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    i like it. i would ride it.

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    i don't like it, but i have to say this is one of the first CF bikes i haven't liked. i would still ride it, though.
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    I'm noticing that a lot of the CF track bikes use relatively slack ht angles. I'm wondering if the extra stiffness of the carbon fiber, compared to steel, just allows the use of more road-like geometry while still providing a stiff, responsive frame, or if there is some other reason for it (like poor design).
    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike552
    You gotta admit, it's a really ugly frame though. The decals are bad enough, but look at where the headtube and the stem meet, there's no way to get a negative rise stem on there... what kind of a track bike is that??????????????
    as has been said, short headtubes + lots of seatpost = aero position without having to use a drop stem.
    In fanct many sprinters will use a positive rise stem.

    if you really need a drop stem, then a LOOK ergostem would solve your "problem"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sivat
    I'm noticing that a lot of the CF track bikes use relatively slack ht angles. I'm wondering if the extra stiffness of the carbon fiber, compared to steel, just allows the use of more road-like geometry while still providing a stiff, responsive frame, or if there is some other reason for it (like poor design).
    I really doubt that it's poor design. I mean, I don't know who knows more about the ideal ST angle for a track bike - a bike company with thousands, if not millions, of dollars of R&D and input from professional riders, or a bunch of kids on the Internet, who fetishize vintage bikes that were designed in the '60s.

    I'm not trying to be insulting. I'd much rather own a vintage track bike from the '60s, but if I were getting paid to ride a bike, I'd much rather ride a bike that had the R&D done to ensure that every last bit of energy is going to propelling me and my bike, and not fighting wind resistance and a flexible frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Who
    I really doubt that it's poor design. I mean, I don't know who knows more about the ideal ST angle for a track bike - a bike company with thousands, if not millions, of dollars of R&D and input from professional riders, or a bunch of kids on the Internet, who fetishize vintage bikes that were designed in the '60s.

    I'm not trying to be insulting. I'd much rather own a vintage track bike from the '60s, but if I were getting paid to ride a bike, I'd much rather ride a bike that had the R&D done to ensure that every last bit of energy is going to propelling me and my bike, and not fighting wind resistance and a flexible frame.
    Hear hear! The frame wasn't designed to be ridden off the velo, much less pot-hole marred streets. For it's intended purpose, the frame looks kind of *****in'.

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    Slack headtubes make for easier (in other words, more roadie-like) pacelining. At least that's the logic I've heard in the past.

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    When I say sprint, I mean out of saddle sprinting - something track drop drops aren't designed for.

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