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Old 12-17-06, 01:00 AM   #1
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Alley Cats

Hey guys, maybe you can clear something up for me.
I saw a lot of fixed riders tonight, and I assume there was an alleycat here in Ottawa. I was going to ask one some questions but figured I'd let them get to the bars and ask the internet instead.

I'm not a messenger. The whole idea of the alleycat race appeals to me, and I'd be interested in getting involved, but I'm not really sure what the story is- are these typically messengers only, or can civvies join in? Is a fixie a requirement or are geared bikes allowed?

Basically I'd like to race, but I've got no interest in taking on a pack of yuppies on $2000 bikes driving around all shrink wrapped in lycra.

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Old 12-17-06, 01:05 AM   #2
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in my experience here in boston, the winners are often messengers, but most of the rest of the racers aren't.
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fixed is usually not necessary. race, have a good time. that's all that matters.

that and riding safe of course.
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Yea... racing in Alley Cats is great fun. I always have the best time traveling around the state participating in new cities, meeting new people, eating and drinking with them afterwards, then taking their couch so I can sleep .

I'm sure any organizer will let you race. Do it!
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In Ottawa, the better messengers are the friendliest to newcomers. And don't worry 'bout the bike fashion thing, most alley cats that I've been in were won on geared bikes.
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Basically I'd like to race, but I've got no interest in taking on a pack of yuppies on $2000 bikes driving around all shrink wrapped in lycra.
Actually, that can be fun too.
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unlike USCF or UCI events alleycats can be raced by anybody on whatever bike you wanna ride, very very few rules, and usually all are very welcome to give it a shot

last race here locally there was just over 100 riders and only about 30 or so were messengers, however, just like most of our alleycats about 2/3 of the field always DNF's

Ive raced in both now, and after doing that, I much prefer the alleycats, they are alot more honest and tougher races from what Ive experienced. No sandbagging, no handicapping, no sag wagons, no teams.
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Old 12-17-06, 10:51 AM   #8
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Here in Boulder we do alleycats for fg and ss only. It is a huge bike town and so we try to limit it a bit. We used to have a winner for both ctegories, but the fixers won everytime anyways, so started lumping everyone together. It is a really good way to meet other people in your area that are interested in tha same sorta stuff, we have also had people show up on ss mtn bikes, bmx and cruisers too.
Anything that is messengers only sounds like a group of snobs so you'd want to stay away anyways.
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Here in Boulder we do alleycats for fg and ss only. It is a huge bike town and so we try to limit it a bit. We used to have a winner for both ctegories, but the fixers won everytime anyways, so started lumping everyone together. It is a really good way to meet other people in your area that are interested in tha same sorta stuff, we have also had people show up on ss mtn bikes, bmx and cruisers too.

Anything that is messengers only sounds like a group of snobs so you'd want to stay away anyways.

So being fg and ss only , is that snobish too?

If I was a strictly roadie person, should I keep away from your fg/ss alley kat and consider you guys snobs?

Sorry if it started in the Messenger scene and a few keep it to that effect but you can always have one that is what you want it to be.

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For a while now I've wanted to enter an alley cat as a team with some pals, and have everyone dress up as a commuter. Blinkies everywhere, reflective vests, tights, eye shields, racks & panniers instead of bags, etc etc. Not only would it be funny, we would also be the safest mf's there.
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unlike USCF or UCI events alleycats can be raced by anybody on whatever bike you wanna ride, very very few rules, and usually all are very welcome to give it a shot

last race here locally there was just over 100 riders and only about 30 or so were messengers, however, just like most of our alleycats about 2/3 of the field always DNF's

Ive raced in both now, and after doing that, I much prefer the alleycats, they are alot more honest and tougher races from what Ive experienced. No sandbagging, no handicapping, no sag wagons, no teams.

Pretty psyched for my first Jumpinships; hope you guys are ready for 10+ Cincy kids to invade...
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Basically I'd like to race, but I've got no interest in taking on a pack of yuppies on $2000 bikes driving around all shrink wrapped in lycra.
(I assume you're talking about road racing).
Not everyone is a yuppie who road races.

I understand the lure of alleycats and I've done many and have done really well in them despite not being a messenger. And yes, they're a ton of fun. But don't discount sanctioned racing. There's a lot of fun to be had out there ... track, road, crits, cyclocross, mountain, etc etc etc. And for the most part people are pretty nice.
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it's like anything, all races seem snobby to those who aren't in those circles.
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Pretty psyched for my first Jumpinships; hope you guys are ready for 10+ Cincy kids to invade...
when is this next jumpinships?
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For a while now I've wanted to enter an alley cat as a team with some pals, and have everyone dress up as a commuter. Blinkies everywhere, reflective vests, tights, eye shields, racks & panniers instead of bags, etc etc. Not only would it be funny, we would also be the safest mf's there.
When I raced the Legend of Zelda in Boston, four Dartmouth grads came in their full kit on TT bikes. It was pretty great, and they were cool guys.
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Old 12-17-06, 04:18 PM   #16
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There was a race last night and I missed it AGAIN!!!
Rusty: FYI, Ottawa race info is often posted here. I seem to have an uncany ability to find out about races just after they finish.
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Yeah, actually Steve who runs that site (I think?) gave me a peugeot frame he dug out of the trash, and that's what I'm building up for the summer.
I didn't mean to sound too disdainful of sanctioned racing- I'm considering joining the Ottawa bike club as well. It's just that it seems like I'd be a little out of place in one of those races as I haven't the equipment or the experience to do anything but get in the way. Although I'm finding cyclocross particularly appealing.
Darting through downtown and dodging traffic, however, that I have a bit of experience with.

Well thanks for all the feedback, guys. Maybe I'll see some of you out there. Grimlock or any other Ottawa riders, please feel free to let me know of any events coming up.
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Basically I'd like to race, but I've got no interest in taking on a pack of yuppies on $2000 bikes driving around all shrink wrapped in lycra. Illuminate Me.
I reall't don't see much of a difference in $2000 dollar bikes with lycra or $2000 Keirin bikes,dickies,track jackets and trucker hats. Yuppies come in all colors......
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to me, alleycat racing is better than any other cycle racing discipline. It combines stamina, skill, luck, local knowledge, strategy, and stupidity, and is far more compelling than other more "pure" forms of racing that only test athleticism and a limited realm of stamina-management strategy.
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I guess if I had a 2000$ keirin I'd be more careful with my wording. As it stands I've got a budget of like 3-400 bucks Canadian. AKA heavy and used.
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but I totally agree with your point.
I mean, I'll totally BE a yuppy, I've just got another 15 or so years to go.
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but I totally agree with your point.
I mean, I'll totally BE a yuppy, I've just got another 15 or so years to go.
Priceless...
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who wouldn't wanna have cash money like a yuppy? maaadddddddddd bikes...like 50 for the price of a TT bike.
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when is this next jumpinships?
I was told April...no idea exactly when.
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who wouldn't wanna have cash money like a yuppy?
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