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Old 12-28-06, 10:11 AM   #1
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street tubies: conti sprinter vs. vittoria CX

I have a nice tubular wheelset which I want to use for street use in philly (and soon to be nyc) and want to know what I should put on there for maximum flat protection. I wanted to just change out the rims but I couldn't find a rim with the same spoke length needed as mine (mavic GL-330). The set currently has one tire mounted which holds air, its a continental sprinter. So my options are buy one more of those for 40$:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Continental-Spri...QQcmdZViewItem
or get a pair of these vittoria CX tubulars for 80$.
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-Cyclo-Cross-70...QQcmdZViewItem

the CXs look like the tread wouldn't provide too much rollign resistance although I'm sure the continentals would be faster. The bike is an old skool conversion so I'm pretty sure I'd have enough clearance. I guess pinch flats aren't the issue with tubies so would the CX tires be considerably more puncture resistant?
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Old 12-28-06, 10:23 AM   #2
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Everyone has different luck with tire brands and flats. I think Contis are great. On top of that, I detest Vittoria because I destroyed one in two days and the other in another week with countless flats and torn sidewalls. Other people may be the other way around. I would save money and stick with Conti.
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The Conti Sprinters now come in gatorskin for some extra protection.
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Old 12-28-06, 10:37 AM   #4
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i rock conti competitions with the vectran breaker. i picked up 3 from probikekit for $47 a pop on sale, w/ free shipping. good enough for the paris roubaix, good enough for me.
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Old 12-28-06, 12:11 PM   #5
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well i found the sprinter gatorskins for 45 bones on biketiresdirect so that seems like the way to go. I'll probably buy two and have a spare. Any specific recommendations on glue? or how about the tufo gluing tape? I've never glued a tubie before so if theres anyone in philly that would like to give me a quick lesson, I'll buy you a beer or something.

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Old 12-28-06, 12:36 PM   #6
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would the stan's goup work to prevent flats in tubulars???
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Old 12-28-06, 12:54 PM   #7
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The Mavic GEL 330 is probably not your best bet for a "street wheel". They are really nice for a race wheel, if you are light and smooth. A GP4 would be great, bomb proof, a little heavier and the same spoke length.

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the tufo tape is great... but make sure you get the 'extreme' tape. it's rated for more temperature conditions.
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panacement is awesome. conti tires don't work with tufo tape - tufo tape is pressure sensitive and only works with rubberized base tapes. rock n roll toob splooge and vittoria pit stop are effective sealants for tubulars. gl330's are fine for the street when built up well 36h.
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would the stan's goup work to prevent flats in tubulars???
Wow, the website claims it works with tubular tires, but the weight savings that tubular wheelsets give you would be entirely negated with Stan's sealent.
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umm. i have a teammate who's been rocking sprinters with tufo tape on the track for a full season now... and i'm building new wheels with sprinters and the tape.

are you serious?
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i have a friend whos been rocking sprinters with tape on the street, no problems at all. i prefer glue, personally. the gatorskin tubies are great, btw. in regards to the tufo extreeme, i think the extra temperature rating only really comes into play with the temperature generating from braking? correct me if im wrong.
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I use Sprinters and love them. I think they're probably the
best tubular for the money. Haven't tried the Gatorskin, but
that would probably make them the ultimate street tubie.
Oh, and I also use the Conti glue. Works better than any
tape, for sure!

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Old 12-28-06, 01:16 PM   #14
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The tufo tape will work with any of the tubulars. Beware of running the extremem tap on carbon rims, as there have been cases where chunks of carbon come up with the tape upon removing the tire.

In the long run, glue is more flexible to use.

As to the origianl question, Conti Sprinters, or better yet the new Gatorskin Sprinters.
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Gatorskins haven't done me wrong.... either have sprinters but if you are brakeless I would go with gator skins.
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As to the origianl question, Conti Sprinters, or better yet the new Gatorskin Sprinters.
Oh I wanna try these.
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gatorskin sprinters = gatorskin tubulars. there is no just "gatorskin" tubular tire.
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umm. i have a teammate who's been rocking sprinters with tufo tape on the track for a full season now... and i'm building new wheels with sprinters and the tape.

are you serious?
yes. continental claims that their tires are not properly adhered to the rim with tufo tape. i confirmed this with a conti-usa rep. he told me that testing showed that the bond between tufo extreme and a conti sprinter is only 40% as strong as a traditional mounting with glue. apparently tufo tire base tape is coated with latex, and conti's are not. if the risk of rolling a tire isn't enough, the rolling resistance raises greatly as well as the base tape squirms along the tufo tape, to the point where a conti competition will roll worse than a low end clincher.
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i noticed a bit of a wobble with the tape and the sprinters while track standing, which is why i switched back to glue. (that and glue is cheaper). i last used the vittoria mastik, so far so good. didnt get a single bit on the sides of my rims, i was quite proud of myself
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i noticed a bit of a wobble with the tape and the sprinters while track standing, which is why i switched back to glue. (that and glue is cheaper). i last used the vittoria mastik, so far so good. didnt get a single bit on the sides of my rims, i was quite proud of myself
i use pana cement. so easy to work with. however, the vectran competitions were a ***** to work with and i had a bit of cleanup to do. same conti rep recommended stretching them for 72 hours @ 140psi instead of 24.
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I am running tufo s3 pro/tufo jet with mine (sorry for a cr@ppy pic) on/off road, two months brakeless - no flats yet.
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personally i didn't like the vittorias i tried. [lumpy and didn't inspire any confidence in corners]

i'm much happier with tufo s22s/jet pros, which also seem to have a gatorskin-like reputation for indestructability. [which i can vouch for based on the amount of glass i've run through].

+1 on tufo extreme tape.

it's so awesome that it takes me half an hour to get tyres off the rims. i can understand how it would take carbon with it if i was using it on carbon rims.

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ease of changing tires and regluing after a flat are probably good reasons to use glue on the streets

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+1 on tufo extreme tape.

it's so awesome that it takes me half an hour to get tyres off the rims. i can understand how it would take carbon with it if i was using it on carbon rims.

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Check out the "Totally tubular" sticky in the Classics and Vintage forum for directions on using glue.
The Vittoria Corsa CX/CG were a very great tire back in the 80's. They have been out of production for many years now. I still have some (on my last set) and find them an excellent road tire; fast and responsive.
I find the puncture resistance of a tire relates to the amt of time it is aged and not to any specific brands. The rubber gets less sticky after a few months so debris doesn't adhere to it as readily. I have used Japanese silk (can't remember the brand), Hutchinsons, Wolblers,Clements and Vittorias cotton casings and liked the Vittoria Corsas best.
I understand that the Veloflex brand has taken over the customer base of the Vittoria Corsas (esp. the Veloflex Criteriums) but I have no direct experience with them.
PS Don't forget to apply an even layer of glue on the spare as well and allow it to dry completely before folding it, base tape to base tape. Cinch it under the saddle with an old Alfredo Binda toe strap for max style points. Gerry
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