chip thunder

Sadly, ALL of those decals are under the clearcoat. Nothing a little gaff tape won't fix, though.

Warsong

Fair enough. Thanks guys.

Retem

screw gaffers tape get black reflective diy sheeting and spread it on bee seen at bight stealth durig the day

baxtefer

I'm pretty sure you don't know what "butted" means.

not round != butted.

Retem

have you looked at the main triangle of either the mercier or the kh flite I mean seriously do a little research and you will see it is clearly butted the downtube has a teardrop crossection and the top tube flares at the ends

and you can get tubing that is butted internally so the id changes rather than the od I know I have worked with lugs quite a bit

please please please do look into things more closely

all butted means is that the thickness of the metal varies over the length that is all it means it doesn't necessarily mean that it is oval shaped at all

the iro angus made of butted reynolds 631 looks like bloody straight gauge from the outside


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baxtefer

uhhh, i ride a KHS.
I know it's butted.

i'm just saying that the profile of the tube doesn't necessarily tell you anything about the wall thickness. You can't tell if a round tube is butted just by looking at it.

The "generic 4130" of the MarkV is also butted
Reynolds 520 is 4130 except it's drawn to Reynold's spec and has a sticker on it.

you'll have to get a very very low end bike nowadays to end up with something with straight gauge tubing (i.e. the SE POS)

Retem

yes agreed this is some pics of my ride you can see the profile in them pretty well

the pake is the only gas pipe frame I can think of

sprintcarblue

Butted means there is a varying wall thickness in the tubing.
Pierced means there are holes where the tubing meets making it lite wate.
Sometimes tubing will be ovalized a tad in an attempt to make a larger tube meet up with a smaller tube (ie top tube to the seat tube) not sure what this is called...ovalized tubing?

Retem

it is called flare and miter

tommyb

thos look like pritty sweet cranks. I think ill have to up grade those when i get the KHS. hay does any one know were i can get last years model, i hear thats going to 100$ less.

Retem

nah get the carbon pr cranks these the chainring spider slips on back pressure

tommyb

ow lame.

danimal

CtoF is totally right...i picked up a complete flite 100 in 2002 or 03 (whichever year was orange) and i've slowly replaced everything on it except the front wheel (it hasn't broken YET!) and the headset/stem (although i'll likely replace the headset after this winter). but it's a great bike FOR THE MONEY. -and the paintjob is a lot less awful than fuji's low-end track bike.

Retem

yeah but if I am not mistaken yours is the old version with the sloping top tube true temper tubeset and a set of sugino 75s standard

tommyb

i didnt know that they made a KHS flight 100 back in the day with a sloping top tube. does anyone know what year?

Retem

it was 2001 and older I looked it up earlier

danimal

no sloping tt, but it did come with sugino 75s....regardless, most 'entry-level' complete bikes are basically the same, and unless you've got a garage full of parts to build something up, a $400 complete bike will get you rolling and you can start upgrading piece-by-piece as things break/wear-out

Aeroplane

Most BMX bikes are straight gauge for stoutness. The SE isn't even Cro-moly, I wouldn't be surprised if it is straight gauge too. As far as the Pake, I believe it is double-butted also, similar to a Mark V.

Retem

they must have changed it cuz a buddy o mine has one and it is gas pipe but it is also a great pothole buster