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Old 01-12-07, 04:28 PM   #1
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?'s about de Benardi Thron Steel Lugged Are they quick and responsive?Track Bikes

I curious to know about de Bernardi track bikes and just want to hear from those who have ridden them. Do they have stiff BB's? Toe over lap? Are they rugged, can they handle both street and track well? Are they quick, responsive? Im looking to upgrade from the 56cm Iro Mark V(Flexes 2 much for me-I'm 190lbs) that I'm currently riding and would like any suggestions about a mid priced bike $500-800 that is worth spending the $$$ on. Thanks! My title is all ***** up, sorry.
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Old 01-12-07, 04:54 PM   #2
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I heard... only heard, now.... not that I know.... just heard... that the paintjob on the DiBernardi's is not that good. The paint chips off.
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I heard... only heard, now.... not that I know.... just heard... that the paintjob on the DiBernardi's is not that good. The paint chips off.
Great answer, excellent job of covering your ass......
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I believe [165] has (had?) one- shoot him a PM, or maybe he will chime in here.

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Every single one I've ever seen has looked like crap (well, the paint anyway) but aside from that I've heard nothing but good things...
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Yes, the paint is very very very easily chipped, but it does have track geometry so it should be nimble relative to say, a dump truck.
I doubt you'll find much of a difference in stiffness from your IRO. Try a sturdier set of wheels before you go cheatin' on your frame.
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[QUOTE=AfterThisNap]Yes, the paint is very very very easily chipped, but it does have track geometry so it should be nimble relative to say, a dump truck.
I doubt you'll find much of a difference in stiffness from your IRO. Try a sturdier set of wheels before you go cheatin' on your frame.[/QUOTE

My wheels are just fine but since it seems that people are hate'n the Benardi, any suggestions of a good decent frame preferably steel w/ lugs?
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The only real complaint I've heard from my friends riding the benardi is the paint issue. If flex is your major concern, you may want to look to an aluminum frame as a cheaper solution.
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Yes, the paint is very very very easily chipped, but it does have track geometry so it should be nimble relative to say, a dump truck.
I doubt you'll find much of a difference in stiffness from your IRO. Try a sturdier set of wheels before you go cheatin' on your frame.[/QUOTE

My wheels are just fine but since it seems that people are hate'n the Benardi, any suggestions of a good decent frame preferably steel w/ lugs?
Kalavinka
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And as far as stiffness goes, it's all about the bottom bracket.
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Build quality and construction wise, the debernadi is a small step up from the iro- the debernardi costs 2x as much for shlightly higher quality. Thron is columbus' basic cro-mo tubing- nothing special, although a step up from the iro's tubing. You are essentially paying a premium for the lugs and the "italian" pedigree. The frame does have track geometry though, which the iro certainly doesn't, which might be important to you.

And the debernadi paint issue might deter you.

$4-500 could get you a nice lugged used older track frame.

I believe you can get a new bob jackson "off the peg" for around $650 shipped to the us, and you get to pick a bunch of colors, braze ons, etc.

edit: here are the links for the bob jackson off the peg frameset:

http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/pr...roducts_id=307
http://www.bobjacksoncycles.co.uk/custom.php

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And as far as stiffness goes, it's all about the bottom bracket.
So with that said, what is available in the $400-800 and not beat to hell and back...
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Build quality and construction wise, the debernadi is not that much of a step up from the iro- the debernardi costs 2x as much for just about the same quality. Thron is columbus' basic cro-mo tubing- nothing special. You are essentially paying a premium for the lugs and the "italian" pedigree. The frame does have track geometry though, which the iro certainly doesn't, which might be important to you.

$4-500 could get you a nice lugged used older track frame.

What is possible in that range? Where to look? No ebay suggestions please.. Can't stand that big brother site.
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What is possible in that range? Where to look? No ebay suggestions please.. Can't stand that big brother site.
$4-500 with a little searching and persistence you can get almost anything in that price range, used of course- keirin, italian, basically whatever you want, etc.

Sources for frames:
craigslist
bike forums for sale section
this forum
sashae framebank: http://boxwood.subtle.org/se/gallery/jpparts

etc. etc.
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$4-500 with a little searching and persistence you can get almost anything in that price range, used of course- keirin, italian, etc.

Sources for frames:
craigslist
bike forums for sale section
this forum
sashae framebank: http://boxwood.subtle.org/se/gallery/jpparts

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So with that said, what is available in the $400-800 and not beat to hell and back...
pretty much anything
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And as far as stiffness goes, it's all about the bottom bracket.
How so Serendipper? I'm curious.
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Call Jacobs. He starts at $850 for full custom. www.jacobsbicycles.com
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How so Serendipper? I'm curious.
Call me 'Dipper.

The bottom bracket area of the frame is the part that determines the stiffness/flexibility of the frame. It's structurally the most integral part of the frame, the place where all the force and energy is transferred.

Read Sheldon Brown for more information.
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Sashae! What do you have in the 56-57cm(The IRO MarkV 56cm fits me w/ 1/4" to spare stand over) range. Price? PM we can work something out if your interested. Thanks...
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Call Jacobs. He starts at $850 for full custom. www.jacobsbicycles.com

His work looks clean but I would like to save a few bucks for extra goodies. If I win the lotto I would definitely purchase one of his rides..
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Yes, the paint is very very very easily chipped, but it does have track geometry so it should be nimble relative to say, a dump truck.
I doubt you'll find much of a difference in stiffness from your IRO. Try a sturdier set of wheels before you go cheatin' on your frame.
my ex has a de Benardi and he's really, really protective of it. when he locks it up he's scared that the paint will chip. last time i checked he usually asks to bring it in so he doesn't run the chance of chipping the paint.
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I purchased the DeBernardi Thron track frame back in August. Great lugged steel frame for the money.

I ride a 53cm. The geometry is relaxed track with high BB clearance.

Yeah, the paint job is pretty dumpy. I called mine the "Chipperelli"

Now I'm selling it cuz it was too long for me.

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i got a debernardi as a beater the same day my merckx track came in. i set both bikes up the same day, and i was more stoked on my debernardi's performance. i know it sounds ********. (merckx full campy c-record) (the db was full campy except for phil wood hubs) but i love my db. the paint is whack but it doesn't matter. it's a rad bike.
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my ex has a de Benardi and he's really, really protective of it. when he locks it up he's scared that the paint will chip. last time i checked he usually asks to bring it in so he doesn't run the chance of chipping the paint.
You're much better off now.
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