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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 01-15-07, 11:00 PM   #1
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Toe/Toe Clip overlap on SS bikes

So I love my new Langster and riding it is ridiculious amounts of fun. My only issue is my toes overlapping with the front wheel. It's only been an infrequent issue with extreme steering at slow speeds, but not realy an issue at all with faster riding and high speed cornering. Still, it does raise my nervousness level just a bit. Because of my body geometry, I ride a 54 cm frame (I'd be perfect on a 55 if was actually made),and the 56 is just too large up front so I have to live with a tighter bike.

What issues do you all have with your toes/toe clips overlapping the front wheels on your SS/FGs?
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Old 01-15-07, 11:10 PM   #2
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How long are your cranks?
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Old 01-15-07, 11:41 PM   #3
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im working on getting used to this as well with a new bike. my cranks are 175 so i might get some 165s. i dont feel like that will make a huge difference though. its only like .4 inches.
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Its just the quick geometry of the bike. You'll just have to live with it.
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get 165s and you will have more fun running really long cranks on a fixedgear sucks I don't like to go any longer than 170 or you could try 162.5 if it is still overlapping too much don't change toe clips for overlap the damage and discomfort to your foot es not worth it
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i overlap. why does this matter? i can only ever see this being a major issue when attempting the hokey pokey.
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i overlap. why does this matter? i can only ever see this being a major issue when attempting the hokey pokey.
Or when I let my dad attempt to ride the bike...
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i've got lots of overlap on one of my bikes. it's a tight 49cm track frame. even with 165 cranks and only medium sized clips, there's lots of overlap. but there are ways to compensate. i need to plan a little bit when i'm in traffic - just need to be aware of turning how much is going to hit, and so when to turn and when not to turn. go straight another couple of feet and then turn tighter. angle your foot up or down to give the tire more clearance. get used to it...
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Not that it really matters but running clipless pedals do minimize toe overlap. I get toe overlap on all my bikes but it's a non-issue for me.

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ok, toe overlap is a noproblemo thing. after you do it for a while, you will learn to point your toe up or down to get it out of the way of the wheel when turning. i had over lap on my cross bike (funny, yeah), like 2 inches of it. and i won 3 races and the local series, because i figured out how to get around the problem. the solution is NOT to buy a new frame/cranks/waste your money, its just learning how to ride. there are many odds and ends with fixed gear riding, toe overlap is one of them.
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im working on getting used to this as well with a new bike. my cranks are 175 so i might get some 165s. i dont feel like that will make a huge difference though. its only like .4 inches.
175s to 165s is a pretty huge difference as far as crank length goes.
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Interesting note about crank arm length, especially with the Langster.

The Specialized website states that all Langys smaller than 58cm have 165mm crankarms, but peeking at mine, I see that the crank arms are actually 170mm.

Hmm...

...either way, I can see myself getting used to the close proximity between my toes and the back of my front wheel during tight, slow turns. I don't see 5mm making any real difference, but I did bust out an old pair of SPD shoes and jammed the cleats forward to move my toes back as far as possible, so I gained back about 1/4 of an inch on the overlap.

Damn I sound like a techweenie, so I'll shut up now and just ride.

Thanks, BTW, for all of the feedback.
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Old 01-16-07, 11:00 PM   #13
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175s to 165s is a pretty huge difference as far as crank length goes.
of course there is difference with the crank sizing, im just saying that the toe overlap is more than the change in size would compensate for. im sure ill get used to it.
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Just lean the bike over on the turn and push through. You'll turn tighter and won't hit the front wheel, though you might run a problem with those long crank arms. Figure out how far you can lean without a pedal slap. You might also try a zigzag turn when at a slow speed. Turn super tight when your foots out of the way and straighten out the wheel just enough when pedaling through. Repeat this sequence until the turns completed. Overlaps are nothing to worry about.
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Old 01-18-07, 07:22 AM   #15
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The worst is when your overlap leaves your front wheel stuck to one side (i.e. when you turn your wheel, then reach 3 o'clock, then try to turn back). Like everyone else said, you'll get used to it. Little skips at the right time help a lot too.
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