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Old 01-21-07, 09:14 PM   #1
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I did some math and now I'm confused.

Ok, I went and bought some Mr. Tuffy's and put them in one of my tires.

Here's my thinking: Cheap tire + Mr. Tuffy weighs less than expensive tire with mega kevlar flat protection.

I like the cheap tires, they ride nice and are pretty grippy.

BTW, cheap tire is 28mm Bontrager Select B, and expensive tire is Bontrager Race Lite Hardcase.

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Old 01-22-07, 01:00 AM   #2
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Cheap tire + Mr. Tuffy weighs less than expensive tire with mega kevlar flat protection.
That's not normally the case at all. There must be something funny going on here.
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Yep, you saved about 10 bucks. Er, wait, this is about weight? I dunno then but I think you mucked something up.
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Your problem is they are bontrager tyres. And what he said /\

Continental GP 4 seasons NEVER puncture and never wear. 12,000km on one set and counting.
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Continental GP 4 seasons NEVER puncture and never wear. 12,000km on one set and counting.
I find this extremely hard to believe.
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I find this extremely hard to believe.
Most people do.
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I hate tire liners
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Continental GP 4 seasons NEVER puncture and never wear. 12,000km on one set and counting.

NEVER say NEVER. you'll get one tomorrow...
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Initial cost might be cheaper, but I'm willing to bet the total cost per kilometer is a lot higher with cheap tires as they wear much faster.
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I use the Slime brand liners. Have not flatted since installing them. Before I would flat frequently because I was running cheap Conti Sport 1000's (27's, no kevlar). Don't let the haters discourage you - They do work. Weight penalty, sure. But I don't carry extra tubes with me now, just a patch kit and pump in case of a pinch flat.
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Initial cost might be cheaper, but I'm willing to bet the total cost per kilometer is a lot higher with cheap tires as they wear much faster.
I'll take that bet. Of course there may be super crappy cheapo tyres that fall apart in a week, but otherwise:

-Expensive tyres tend to be a bit more "racey": light and grippy, which translates to less thick tread (probably) and softer, faster wearing compound (certainly)

-You buy tyre liners once. You can buy the cheaper, non-protected version of the same tyre and switch over the liner when it wears out so you spare a bunch of money.
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NEVER say NEVER. you'll get one tomorrow...
sh1t. I'll ride my fixie mtb then.
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I'll take that bet. Of course there may be super crappy cheapo tyres that fall apart in a week, but otherwise:

-Expensive tyres tend to be a bit more "racey": light and grippy, which translates to less thick tread (probably) and softer, faster wearing compound (certainly)

-You buy tyre liners once. You can buy the cheaper, non-protected version of the same tyre and switch over the liner when it wears out so you spare a bunch of money.
I've got several thousand km on my Schawlbe Marathon Plus tires as well does my wife. The tread is still wonderful. My buddy who is a cheapskate ALWAYS complains that he gets less than 1000 km from his tires. The Schawlbe's are twice as expensive as the cheap ones.
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Your buddy should stop locking his wheels then. There are n factors involved in tyre wear and such a tiny sample gives no information.
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i sometimes try and convince myself i don't need kevlar tires, when nycbikes had their big wharehouse sale i bought a bontrager Select B which rode nicely but without fail i had 2 puncture flats within a thousand miles so i switched back to kevlar and have not flatted since additionally i've been running vittoria rubino pros(II now) up front for years and have had good results
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My thinking is that I tend to wear out back tires pretty fast, especially gatorskins (the only expensive tire I really like). I used Michelin Dynamics for a while, and liked them pretty much, except for the flats.

If I got Mr. Tuffy's, I could run a tire like Serfas Secas ($20) or the Dynamics (even less) and not stress about getting a new tire every other month.
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