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Old 01-23-07, 01:33 PM   #1
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Recognize this stem?



Does anyone know what kind of stem this is? It's on a Jamie Roy in the IRO gallery which the owner lists as a 'Cheap seatpost, bottom bracket, grips, and stem'.
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Old 01-23-07, 01:36 PM   #2
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Looks like a fairly generic, short, open faced threadless stem flipped upside down.
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Old 01-23-07, 01:56 PM   #3
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looks like a Dimension.
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Old 01-23-07, 02:09 PM   #4
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Maybe this one on yellowjersey.org?

Edit: Nevermind, angle is different.

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Old 01-23-07, 02:17 PM   #5
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aack!!^^
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Old 01-23-07, 02:18 PM   #6
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looks like a Dimension.
I think you're right. Thanks!
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Old 01-23-07, 02:55 PM   #7
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kinda looks like both steer tube bolts go the same direction. weird.
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^ That's the traditonal setup, certainly for low-end stems.
The opposed bolts are a relatively new invention, I think. Lazy to look it up, but my newish Ritchey Pro has opposed bolts, and my 3-year-old Ritchey Comp has same-direction bolts etc.
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Old 01-24-07, 06:01 AM   #9
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UGH! A road oriented frame make to take fenders and big tires, with a small chainring, negative rise stem, track bars, track saddle, and way too high seatpost. Why would anyone set a bike up like that?
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Old 01-24-07, 06:31 AM   #10
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Likes road geometry, likes to spin, doesn't want fenders? Rides smooth roads? Likes the look/feel of bars and the look/feel of saddle? He got the frame at a bargain price? Had the parts? Just because?
Does he need the BFSSFG jury's approval to build a bike the way he wants? I see nothing frown-worthy about that bike.
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Old 01-24-07, 11:10 AM   #11
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Does he need the BFSSFG jury's approval to build a bike the way he wants?

YES.

Actually I don't think this bike belongs to the OP...he's just posting it as an example. And I still think its not set up very logically.
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Old 01-24-07, 11:25 AM   #12
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Some would say riding a Track bicycle on the streets is illogical.

toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe, let's call the whole thing off.
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Of course it's not the OP's bike.
It's not a thoroughbred, but I consider that a plus. Pretty handsome bike IMHO. Perhaps the track drops are questionable on the street but 70% of SSFG use them I guess so what the hell...

High saddle... drop stem... I say YUMMY
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Of course it's not the OP's bike.
It's not a thoroughbred, but I consider that a plus. Pretty handsome bike IMHO. Perhaps the track drops are questionable on the street but 70% of SSFG use them I guess so what the hell...

High saddle... drop stem... I say YUMMY

YUMMY? I would describe it more as a half-assed attempt to make it look trendy. If you want fasionable go with a tight-ass track frame and the appropriate track parts. If you want something more rideable, like what this Jamie Roy is built for, put some road drops and a horizontal stem on there, and wrap the bars all the way to the stem. I serioulsy doubt the owner hardly ever even uses the part of the track bar that is actually wrapped. This bike is somewhere in the illogical space between trendy and practical. Of course that is perfectly fine, especially if it was assembled with whatever parts the owner had laying around. But still, its just not really a very good setup.

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Old 01-24-07, 01:20 PM   #15
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YUMMY? I would describe it more as a half-assed attempt to make it look trendy. If you want fasionable go with a tight-ass track frame and the appropriate track parts. If you want something more rideable, like what this Jamie Roy is built for, put some road drops and a horizontal stem on there, and wrap the bars all the way to the stem. I serioulsy doubt the owner hardly ever even uses the part of the track bar that is actually wrapped. This bike is somewhere in the illogical space between trendy and practical. Of course that is perfectly fine, especially if it was assembled with whatever parts the owner had laying around. But still, its just not really a very good setup.

who cares, i hope he rides it
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who cares, i hope he rides it

...and gets a sore neck.
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Old 01-24-07, 02:26 PM   #17
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...and gets a sore neck.
So, I'm just curious as to what you think of track bikes with drop stems and risers, or track bikes with track drops only wrapped on top near the stem, or, really, anything else that's come out of the fixed gear fad.
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So, I'm just curious as to what you think of track bikes with drop stems and risers, or track bikes with track drops only wrapped on top near the stem, or, really, anything else that's come out of the fixed gear fad.

My point in criticising this bike is that the frame itself is built to be an all-purpose ultility fg/ss with slackish geometry and room for big tires etc. It just does not jive with some of the parts put on it, like the track bars and stem. If the owner likes it that way, thats fine, but the bike does not appeal to my sense of function, nor my sense of fashion..its a piss-poor compromise between the two. If that thing was just slapped together with some available parts to make a quick fixie that is one thing, but if someone intentially set up that bike that way, they must be confused.

However, to answer your inquiry more directly, I'm more interested in function than fads. I have a Bareknuckle frame that can quickly be set up for road or track by swapping a few parts. For the track I use track drops and for the road I put on road drops, for reasons that should be very obvious. Who wants to ride around in traffic with their nose bumping against the stem bolt? Track drops on the road are uncomfortable (if you even use the drop position, which most people probably don't) and ultimately they are slower. I don't use risers because I like speed, but they look cool and I'm sure they are awesome for just cruising around, trackstanding, or for navigating intense traffic. From the standpoint of aesthetics, there are some really sweet looking tight-ass track bikes out there with track drops, negative rise stems and all and they look way better than my bike. Thats great if your interested in how your bike looks or how photogenic it is. The Jamie Roy posted above neither looks great, nor is it set up well for actually riding on the road or track...the half-assed attempt to conform to fashion has only resulting in a totally unappealing misfit bike.

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Not to pick an argument, but that is a perfectly reasonable, practical stem height for a large portion of bikers (Edit: ok, saddle to tops, not to the drops). I ride with a lot of saddle to bar drop and trust me, it's not for fashion. It's not trendy, it's sporty.
Buying a track frame OTOH would be trendy and pointless.
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Not to pick an argument, but that is a perfectly reasonable, practical stem height for a large portion of bikers (Edit: ok, saddle to tops, not to the drops).

A reasonable bar height would be one that would allow to you utilize the drops effectively, not just the tops. Note that the drops are wrapped and not the tops.
Unless you are track racing or time trialing, those bars are just too low, and clearly that bike is set up for neither. Im not saying that the bars should be level with the seat, Grant Peterson style. But, seriously...go to the roadie forum and try to argue that those bars are not too low.

Edit: Whats OTOH?...I don't know that one.

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A reasonable bar height would be one that would allow to you utilize the drops effectively, not just the tops.
Unless you are track racing or time trialing, those bars are just too low, and clearly that bike is set up for neither.
They are too low for most track used too.

My question is what type of torsoless freak rides this bike.
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jibe, not jive

and OTOH = on the other hand
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Makes my gooch sore just looking at that setup. But I don't have to ride it, so party on wayne, party on garth.
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Of course it's not the OP's bike.
Yep. Not my bike.

On my commuter, I have a threadless stem that is somewhere between 0º to -10º and a friend just gave me some risers which still feel a bit too high, especially in the wind. Rather than buying some new bars with less rise or no rise at all, I thought I would maybe just get another stem with a steeper negative rise. (Although this one does look too steep.) I'm probably just being stupid.

I don't really have anything to say about the bike pictured. Maybe the dude has really long arms.
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get one of these and flip it........

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...%20ATB%20Stems
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