My Nigel Dean, Before and After
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My Nigel Dean, Before and After
I'd been meaning to do this for a while. This bike was built up by a guy 50 miles from me, posted on FGG, and then he stripped it down and sold it to raise money to build his HR Bates, I think. Anyhow, I bought it, and built it my way. Compare and contrast!
Before:
After (sorry for crappy quality)
Before:
After (sorry for crappy quality)
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Ha! You'll laugh. They're actually steel rims, Normandie flip flop hubs. They were on a vintage gearie I parted out. When I get up the guts, I'll get some sensible rims and rebuild them, but I've not done any wheelbuilding yet. It scares me.
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On the original? Those are PMP cranks - not made for some years now. On mine, superduper cheap Silstar cranks converted from doubles. All done to keep it cheap, see, and those happened to be 165.
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Yeah they looked pretty steel like to me! I am in the middle of building my first wheel, so far it's not too bad but we shall see if I still say that once it's finished.
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You can see why I was keen to start assembling what I need to build some wheels. Actually, I'm not unhappy with the hubs, I'd only replace those if I had some Campy, or Phils or something, but the rims weigh a ton, and since I rather like having brakes, it would be helpful to have rims which they would actually grip!
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Did you get to keep the PMP's? I can see some unabomber types laying down heavy coin for those things.
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True enough! If you have a spare front wheel then you can rebuild the front on to a new rim and continue using the bike while you do it. I would expect that the second wheel will be easier.
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Originally Posted by Aeroplane
Did you get to keep the PMP's? I can see some unabomber types laying down heavy coin for those things.
Momentum, I have various other wheels I could use up front, that might be the answer. At the moment, though, springing for a wheelstand is out of the question. Just been out to take a better pic (finally got a decent digicam)
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I'm building mine in the fork, but it's a bit early to say whether that's working. I might try and borrow a stand to finish it off.
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I'm fairly certain that won't work for a rear though, eh? I suppose I could just upend an old frame to use as a double truing stand! Interested to hear how you get on, and what's easy and hard about it. I need to take that leap this year.
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My first wheel took maybe 2 hours to build using the tutorial on Sheldon Brown's site. It was fun, and I got a nice handbuilt wheelset, and something to be proud of out of the deal. Do it. No need to worry about down time, it shouldn't take multiple days to build your first wheel as long as you're careful, and you can't ride while you're building a wheel anyway.
Some people think it's a good idea to use cheap rims for their first build for fear of messing up nice ones. My experience is just the oposite. I used Open Pros, and they went togehter very sttraight with very little truing needed once I brought them up to tension. You'll spend a lot more time dinking around getting cheaper rims straight.
Some people think it's a good idea to use cheap rims for their first build for fear of messing up nice ones. My experience is just the oposite. I used Open Pros, and they went togehter very sttraight with very little truing needed once I brought them up to tension. You'll spend a lot more time dinking around getting cheaper rims straight.
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I'm thinking about Open Sport, for the lower price, but not super cheap, for sure. I have plenty of bikes, too, so the downtime isn't an issue. Did you use a truing stand, Mattface?
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Originally Posted by Sammyboy
I'm thinking about Open Sport, for the lower price, but not super cheap, for sure. I have plenty of bikes, too, so the downtime isn't an issue. Did you use a truing stand, Mattface?
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Originally Posted by mattface
borrowed a Minoura Truing stand for my build. Chances are you know someone who has one.
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Just had a thought as well - I bet the hubs I have are 40H at the rear, and that Open Sports don't come in that type. Damn me and my vintage ways.
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I didn't notice the cranks from the original picture until someone asked about 'em. My response upon noticing them for the first time was something along the lines of "What the **** me?!" (said out loud)
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And sammyboy -- we have the same birthday. Though the years are a bit off.
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Ha! Are you one of those junior riders? Incidentally, we share it with Scott of the Antarctic, and Bjorn Borg.