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Old 01-26-07, 09:31 AM   #1
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No Brakes ticket

Just found out today about the new Japanese law that goes into effect really soon. If youre stopped by the cops without brakes you pay a 50,000 fine.
Apparently they made the law because of so many recent traffic accidents and peds getting hit by people riding without brakes.
Pretty ruthless penalty if you ask me.
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Old 01-26-07, 09:31 AM   #2
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With the influx on incapable riders on track bikes, I have no quarrel.
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Old 01-26-07, 09:48 AM   #3
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ooooh and you just bought a keirin bike too.

I'm all for brake laws. Brakeless riding(unlike helmetless riding) endangers others and there is absolutely no reason to do it.
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Brakes are good. End of discussion.
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i hope the fine is proportional to ones gearing. heh.

i think itll be lame if they just run around ticketing anyone who ride brakeless, but i dont see much of a problem of ticketing a cyclist who is at fault in an accident because they can't handle their bike, just as I would expect a driver who cant drive for **** to get ticketed, too.

maybe as part of the fine they will drill out forks for you?

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Old 01-26-07, 09:51 AM   #6
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From what I understand, there are a lot of laws in Japan. It is a very regimented culture. People are expected to be law abiding, and in general they don't get quite so bent out of shape about that expectation as we do in the US. I thought there were already laws on the books in Japan requiring brakes.

Here in the US, requiring someone to operate a vehicle in a safe manner is tantamount to treason. It's a different culture with different expectations.
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ooooh and you just bought a keirin bike too.

aaah haaa
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Old 01-26-07, 10:06 AM   #8
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With the influx on incapable riders on track bikes, I have no quarrel.
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Seconded. Troll through Fixed Gear Gallery or on Flickr
and it seems like half of the newcomers to riding fixed
seem to think that they need no pedals retraints and/or
no brakes. I feel like someone told them that fixed gear
bikes don't need brakes, and they just took them at their
word.

How long until we're inundated with news stories about
reckless college-age fixed gear riders killing themselves
because they were unable to stop as they rolled off the
sidewalk and into an intersection?
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I met a fellow-student at my school today who rides a gold 3rensho. Said he was going to drill the fork for a brake, and encouraged me to do the same with my new ride.

I told him that was sacreligious (like putting a body kit on a Prosche). His reply was something along the lines of, "Oh, come on. Those bikes are everywhere here. Drilling it's not a big deal."



And for the record, I will not be drilling the makino.
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I drive a manual car. I think I'm gonna take the brakes off, since I can downshift and use engine braking. I mean, seriously, if you know how to drive, it's not going to be a problem, is it? You just have to plan ahead, and anyway, it makes you a better driver.
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I drive a manual car. I think I'm gonna take the brakes off, since I can downshift and use engine braking. I mean, seriously, if you know how to drive, it's not going to be a problem, is it? You just have to plan ahead, and anyway, it makes you a better driver.
This works even better with an automatic. Then you can just throw it into park in case anything unexpected happens in front of you.
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I agree. A competent rider can be safe brakeless in most situations, but that cannot really be a part of a law.
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I drive a manual car. I think I'm gonna take the brakes off, since I can downshift and use engine braking. I mean, seriously, if you know how to drive, it's not going to be a problem, is it? You just have to plan ahead, and anyway, it makes you a better driver.
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I met a fellow-student at my school today who rides a gold 3rensho. Said he was going to drill the fork for a brake, and encouraged me to do the same with my new ride.

I told him that was sacreligious (like putting a body kit on a Prosche
No it's more like putting lights on a dragster to make it street legal. If you want to operate a race vehicle on public streets you might have to make some modifications in order to comply with the law.
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Yup, I purchased a "beater" wheelset so that I can run a front brake. I've seen too many accidents between peds and cyclists with brakes to expect the trend of brakeless cyclists lately to make things any less choatic out there.
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brakes or no brakes, have you seen how fast people tear down the sidewalk in any large japanese city on their mamacharis? it's no wonder people get hit. i bet a lot more get hit with brake-equipped bikes than brakeless ones, but they sure as *** aren't going to ban sidewalk riding. that law is pure kneejerk bullsh1t. hell, i saw a fistfight break out in shinsaibashi after some dude ran into someone with his chari at an intersection.

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i hope the fine is proportional to ones gearing. heh.

i think itll be lame if they just run around ticketing anyone who ride brakeless, but i dont see much of a problem of ticketing a cyclist who is at fault in an accident because they can't handle their bike, just as I would expect a driver who cant drive for **** to get ticketed, too.

maybe as part of the fine they will drill out forks for you?
I like all three of these ideas. 128 FOR MAYOR OF JAPAN!
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dammit, why does another city have to become as suck-tacular as portland?

i don't want to talk too much ****, but when you feel you can't even ride your own bike outside, it takes all the fun out of a town.
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i don't want to talk too much ****, but when you feel you can't even ride your own bike outside, it takes all the fun out of a town.
you could always leave portland... It's not like one less underqualified 20-something hipster will be noticed.
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you could just suck it up and put a brake on your bike since there is absolutely no reason not to.
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If youre stopped by the cops without brakes you pay a 50,000 fine.
Does this mean they only fine you if they have a reason to pull you over?

If so, I don't see the big deal.
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dammit, why does another city have to become as suck-tacular as portland?

i don't want to talk too much ****, but when you feel you can't even ride your own bike outside, it takes all the fun out of a town.

help help I'm being repressed
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I know that this is a hot issue here and I may be an outlier on this one, but on the grand scale of "things that are oppressing me" either locally, nationally or globally brakeless laws are pretty far down the list of things I am worried about.
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I know that this is a hot issue here and I may be an outlier on this one, but on the grand scale of "things that are oppressing me" either locally, nationally or globally brakeless laws are pretty far down the list of things I am worried about.
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There are way more things to worry about than if I can ride without a brake or not.

Also, if you want to run a brake, but don't want to drill the original fork (and I don't blame you) go to a shop and have them get you a fork with the same measurements and get that drilled.
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Pretty ruthless penalty if you ask me.
Seems to convey that they're serious about it to me.

Here in the US, it would be a $25 fine, and only be enforced every third Thursay in June. - basically worthless
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