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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

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Old 01-28-07, 02:06 AM   #1
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A rant on knees, fixed gear, helmets and going down

Hi,
Just a rant. The first part is just for all these who say that riding fixed is bad for your knees.
Executive summary:
No. It is not.
/end summary
I have started riding fixed almost two years ago after skiing accident which partially torn an inner ligament of my right knee. At that time surgeons discovered serious instability in both of my knees (hardly a wonder after nearly two decades of martial arts practice and years of serious volleyball). Just before going skiing for the first time in two years I have the knees rechecked and the verdict was good to go - the only rehab I did was riding fixed, about 20 miles a day on the average.

Here is a part related to helmets: I almost never use helmet when riding, I always use helmet when skiing. On Tuesday, while skiing off pista in bad fog, I took a 4.5m drop (14' to you, using measurement systems based on human body) to horizontal ice/rock surface. My knees sustained the impact when my skis stopped dead on landing (I have a 2 by 1 inch gouge on the underside of my right ski to prove it) and when the bindings let go I just rolled forward.

I am OK with the right wrist, elbow and shoulder as well as my left hip hurting a bit - I do not usually practice ukemis falling from such heights. What I complain about is the helmet making a long, straight bruise on my forehead and crushing my googles which in turn cut the base of my nose - two stitches and some glue helped that.
I wonder if my head would miss the ground altogether - I know it would had I fallen from my standing height - were it not for an additional inch of a helmet in front and a whiplash effect?

Nevertheless, I will continue to use the helmet when skiing - the rock that gouged my ski would put a nice hole in my skull on a contact.

/end rant

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Old 01-28-07, 02:18 AM   #2
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I roll a 69 inch gear up and down a 1000 foot (300 m) hill every day, and my knees have never been in better shape.
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Old 01-28-07, 02:59 AM   #3
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Its like anything in life, many times people blame something when in reality its just bad technique.
I reckon, even with my LIMITED experience, that you can still pedal dead square on a fixed.

Of course, if you don't apply even pressure to the pedal stroke ALL the way around, you may experience some knee joint problems, but blaming fixed is pathetic.

I knew a guy who said that pedalling in circles didn't work....
he couldn't do it of course.

he also complained of bad knees, but he was the only one who refused to cover up his legs in bad and cold weather. Of course, it wasn't that, which had given him bad knees LOL
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Yeah, 'cause we're all made exactly the same, our knees and bodies in general are 100% identical, and nobody has any special conditions that would affect the muscles, ligaments, bones, cartilage and body motion interaction.

I guess that osteoporosis, achondroplasia, myeloma, fibrous dysplasia, osteopenia, osteomyelitis, Paget's disease etc. etc. etc. (this is just a smal samlple of only the bone tissue conditions) are invention of those evil liars who have a vested interest in utterly destroying fixed gear cycling. I think your rant sets them right.


I hope I've shown how useless this kind of rants are. Who gives a flying **** that you've woken up all cranky this morning and set about flamig all those that think FG cycling is bad for the knees? You don't know any better, either. Which is sad, seeing as though you have had more than your share of close encounters with doctors. I find it presumptuous that you'd come up on the pulpit to lecture the uninitiated crowd about things you have no ****ing clue about.

FG may not be bad for the knees of most people, but it might be dangerous for some. Heck, it may even be that FG is bad for the knees of most people over 55, you don't know that. You know jack ****, as do I, but I don't try to convince people one way or the other.
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Old 01-28-07, 05:45 AM   #5
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No one said riding fixed is bad for the knee (no one you should listen to, anyway). Riding fixed with a tall gear and skidding all over the place is.
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^Got it in a nutshell. I used to **** my knees up regularly (and groin, actually) until I learned to ride with a modicum of efficiency.
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N = 1, but fixed has never hurt my (pretty bad) knees since I started riding clipless and paying relentless attention to my patellar tracking. I don't ever skid/skip at high speed, though.
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and paying relentless attention to my patellar tracking.
do you mean watching your pedal stroke (knee not moving too far to the left or right at the 12 o' clock)?
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yeah, pretty much through the whole front half of the pedal stroke
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yeah, if I place three fingers at the patella I can feel a click on the upstroke, which is less pronounced if I bring my knee out more

it's a ***** to think about for every revolution
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Old 01-28-07, 10:32 AM   #11
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yeah, if I place three fingers at the patella I can feel a click on the upstroke, which is less pronounced if I bring my knee out more

it's a ***** to think about for every revolution
Dude you should consider getting some orthotics made for when you cycle. It will more than likely help that a lot. You waste more energy by forcing your knee into proper posture. Orthotics take care of that for you. Expensive yes, but worth considering.
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a recent chiropractor x-ray showed that one leg is longer than the other (by less than an inch), so it very well may be the case

is this typically covered by health insurance (since it COULD be considered therapy for an injury )

where can I get more info?
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Step 1: Stop going to the chiropractor
Step 2: Get a real orthopedist
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Old 01-28-07, 11:46 AM   #14
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Step 2: Get a real orthopedist
interesting; that's pretty much the same conclusion i've come to. i got a cast made for orthodics just this week in fact! they're going to be about half the regular price because i go to a "community health centre" and i arranged for a payment plan too, so i'm pretty stoked. personally, i'm still reluctant to switch from SS to fixed because i like to option of coasting when i need to. oh and i didn't quite understand the OP.
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N = 1, but fixed has never hurt my (pretty bad) knees since I started riding clipless and paying relentless attention to my patellar tracking. I don't ever skid/skip at high speed, though.
yee-ep sometimes I see cyclists with such wildly bad pedal technique it makes my own joints hurt to watch, the riders with their knees out so far at 12 o'clock that you can't even pass, like they've got rickets, painful like

I injured my knee while riding fixed, part of the fastest emergency stop I think I ever made at 25mph, but I'd no more blame the bike than I'd blame Oswald's rifle for Kennedy's death.
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yeah, I ride a lot on the lakefront path in chicago, where you often see people coming at you from a long way away. The thing that always strikes me about the fastest and best riders I see is that from the front their lower legs appear to move in dead vertical lines.
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proper bike fit anf the right gear is all I have to say
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oh and i didn't quite understand the OP.
i believe he's blaming his helmet for some slight bruising and scratches he sustained during a 14 foot fall.

hehe, he said going down.
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Step 1: Stop going to the chiropractor
Step 2: Get a real orthopedist
+10000! (factorial)

A chiropractor has nothing on a medical doctor trained and specialized in the field, who has more means and information available to him/her than a legion of chiropractors will ever have.
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i believe he's blaming his helmet for some slight bruising and scratches he sustained during a 14 foot fall.
ah, gotcha.

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hehe, he said going down.
(i was thinking that too)
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+10000! (factorial)

A chiropractor has nothing on a medical doctor trained and specialized in the field, who has more means and information available to him/her than a legion of chiropractors will ever have.
I was there for a back injury and he pointed it out on the chart, jeebus

just reinforcing the idea that I should look further into this
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hehe, he said going down.
yeah, originally, i saw the subject...helmets, knees and going down...and i thought..."oh, it's THAT kind of thread."

i was right. but not the way i thought i would be.
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+10000! (factorial)

A chiropractor has nothing on a medical doctor trained and specialized in the field, who has more means and information available to him/her than a legion of chiropractors will ever have.
As a chiropractor , if you're going to anyone make sure they're qualified. If you go to an MD, you're more likely looking for a podiatrist, who have the special training wroom's talking about. Some areas aren't regulated in the same way so check with your local licencing boards.

Orthotics don't seem to help everyone (I wear mine sporadically) and, surprisingly, there's very little good quality research on them. Unfortunately they can be a big money maker so I've come across DC's and MD's who are very quick to prescribe them when other things may be more helpful. If cost is a big issue, you may be able to get a prefab fitted for you, Birkenstock makes some, a fair bit cheaper than a custom moulded orthotic would cost.
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ya know I wasn't big on the helmet ticket until I got in a good wreck where I actually hit my head and face and it still hurts so yeah I wear a hemit know
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