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Old 01-29-07, 02:02 AM   #1
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off the books messing in NYC

Hey so I wanna start messing in NYC again, messengerd in NYC for a little under a year about 2 years ago, since than I have been delivering food working as a wrench and riding for fun pretty much every day, so I need to get a new mess job

heres the deal though, I am currently on unemployment and dont wanna **** that up by oaying taxes and having an official job, so anyone no any off the books messenger services

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Old 01-29-07, 03:15 AM   #2
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Old 01-29-07, 05:25 AM   #3
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That seems unlikely, for as you might know you end up with some valuable stuff in your bag at some point, and if you run off with that, or lose it, the messenger service needs to hold someone accountable, and unless you are employed officially, they have no way of tracking you down, thus, they end up taking the fall for you.

If you want an off the books job, be a bus boy or something else along those lines where you get treated like crap, and paid like crap, but if you wanna mess, im certain your going to have to hand over your social security number.
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Old 01-29-07, 05:30 AM   #4
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You could always deliver for a drug dealer, that'd be way off the books.
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Old 01-29-07, 05:39 AM   #5
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and pay wells
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Old 01-29-07, 06:29 AM   #6
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"It's off the hooks this year/makin' mad money off the books this year."
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Old 01-29-07, 06:33 AM   #7
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And he might only run you down if you decide to get into a race around San Francisco with Kevin Bacon....

What... someone had to say it...
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Old 01-29-07, 06:45 AM   #8
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And he might only run you down if you decide to get into a race around San Francisco with Kevin Bacon....

What... someone had to say it...
#4 beat you to it
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Old 01-29-07, 06:47 AM   #9
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"It's off the hooks this year/makin' mad money off the books this year."
holy sh...Someone else besides me listens to the Beatnuts.

Cuz no one's ready to deal with us.
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Old 01-29-07, 07:08 AM   #10
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holy sh...Someone else besides me listens to the Beatnuts.

Cuz no one's ready to deal with us.
GOD DAMMIT!

PEOPLE ALWAYS BEAT ME TO THOSE!

Next time you see somebody quote a song, try to think to yourself "I bet that guy with the guinea pig picture might know that...why don't I hold off for a day or two?" Thanks.
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Old 01-29-07, 07:22 AM   #11
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i dont know about NYC, but i know places like heaven sent in philly really could care less... at least when i worked there back in 99. you give them some info, they cut you a check every two weeks, no taxes, no insurance. no fuss no muss. i feel like if you get in someplace where you are an independant contractor, you could just not report those earnings.

QMS in DC (worked there last winter) also does the whole independant contractor thing and IMHO messer money in DC is amazing. 3.75 take home from every tag, rent is cheap, roads are flat.
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Old 01-29-07, 07:59 AM   #12
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Be careful astrx, working as an independent contractor does not mean that your company doesn't report you to the irs, they do. It's a pretty shady deal actually, it gives them a way to get out of things like workers comp, healthcare, unemployment, liability in accidents, etc. And years of working as an IC and not paying taxes can come back and haunt you in a bad way, it did me, and a lot of my friends.

To the original poster, there used to be a couple small companies in NY that were truly off the books. That means working under a fake name and SS # and cashing your checks at the check cashing store with your company id using the bogus info. I'm not sure if they are still around, and even if they were I wouldn't want to blow up their spots on the internet. Ask around, especially if you worked here before and know anyone.

And yeah, you could always deliver weed, that's certainly off the books but definitely carries some risks.
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Old 01-29-07, 08:44 AM   #13
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QMS in DC (worked there last winter) also does the whole independant contractor thing and IMHO messer money in DC is amazing. 3.75 take home from every tag, rent is cheap, roads are flat.
Rent is cheap in DC? Which DC did you live in?
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Old 01-29-07, 08:56 AM   #14
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Wow, why would anyone WANT to perform tax evasion? This is usually a situation reserved for people with no other choice but to take less pay, have poorer working conditions, no job security, no workers compensation, etc. Cashing checks at payday loan centers and essentially removing myself from the world of secure banking sounds delightful! Hell, I already don't save my money in an interest bearing account, why don't I just make my life even more worthless by doing my banking through a fly by night operation?
Also, if you make less than $36k/year you qualify for the EITC which means you get it ALL back in one convenient sum, perfect for placing in that money market account you've always wanted to start.
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Rent is cheap in DC? Which DC did you live in?
haha, thought the same thing. if you throw down on a house with some friends in the hood you can do alright. or you might just get lucky, but on average rent around here is out****ingrageous.

i can see why messing would be good money though (compared to other cities, that is)

lotta "official" documents that need to get around.

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Old 01-29-07, 09:03 AM   #16
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Wow, why would anyone WANT to perform tax evasion? This is usually a situation reserved for people with no other choice but to take less pay, have poorer working conditions, no job security, no workers compensation, etc. Cashing checks at payday loan centers and essentially removing myself from the world of secure banking sounds delightful! Hell, I already don't save my money in an interest bearing account, why don't I just make my life even more worthless by doing my banking through a fly by night operation?
Also, if you make less than $36k/year you qualify for the EITC which means you get it ALL back in one convenient sum, perfect for placing in that money market account you've always wanted to start.
All good points, but qualifying for the EITC isn't that simple. You have to be 25, and if you don't have any kids you only get it if you make less than about 12.5k, and even then it's only like $400. Plus you still get nailed for SS/Medicare, and obscenely high DC income tax.
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Wow, why would anyone WANT to perform tax evasion? This is usually a situation reserved for people with no other choice but to take less pay, have poorer working conditions, no job security, no workers compensation, etc. Cashing checks at payday loan centers and essentially removing myself from the world of secure banking sounds delightful! Hell, I already don't save my money in an interest bearing account, why don't I just make my life even more worthless by doing my banking through a fly by night operation?
Also, if you make less than $36k/year you qualify for the EITC which means you get it ALL back in one convenient sum, perfect for placing in that money market account you've always wanted to start.
well in this case the person wants to be able to continue collecting unemployment. if he goes on the books then he kisses his unemployment goodbye.
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Construction work is where it's at for under-table jobs.
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I work for a company that is peripherally involved in taxes.

There are many things the IRS does not automatically 'know' about, and are actually quite easy to cheat on. W2 and 1099 income are not those things. If that company reports that income, it *will* catch up with you.
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Construction work is where it's at for under-table jobs.
+ bajillions. One of the best/worst summer jobs I ever had was digging holes for a row of chain stores. $12/hour, no taxes, and the boss bought the donuts for the morning coffee break.
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I've got a couple of ideas:

A) Stop collecting umemployment insurance when you are again employed because abuse of the welfare system makes the system work less efficiently. People like you have no right to complain about government services because you aren't holding up your end of the deal.
B) If you are planning on committing tax evasion then don't post about it on an OPEN INTERNET FORUM

This thread should be removed IMO
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Old 01-29-07, 12:04 PM   #22
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Construction work is where it's at for under-table jobs.
+another couple bajillions

There are tons of construction jobs that pay under the table, and pay pretty well. Don't be ****in bus boy like someone else said, swing a hammer somewhere. I've done some under the table food delivery and that was pretty good too. Actually, just stop collecting unemployment and get a real job ya bum.
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I've got a couple of ideas:

B) If you are planning on committing tax evasion then don't post about it on an OPEN INTERNET FORUM
HELLO +9999 FOR THE MAN WITH A BRAIN!!!!
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Look at me, I'm a lazy ****** bag who is a big fat baby who wants to keep abusing the government, because I can't get a real job or actually work.
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Maybe you should get a keyboard with a functioning period key.
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