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Old 02-15-07, 01:20 PM   #1
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question about some parts...

i hate to be the newbie with all the questions that i'm sure have been done to death and i apologize for that (i just started reading the forum about a week ago), but i would greatly appreciate any advice anyone can give. i've just recently really gotten into the idea of building up my own bike from what's essentially a bare frame with a front fork. i've been riding a single speed track bike for a little over a year now but i bought it pre-built so i didn't really have to worry about which components were good, quality, or their lack thereof. the bike has lasted pretty well and i've ridden it several miles on almost a daily basis for most of the time i've had it.

i got a early 1980 schwinn world sport frame for $5. it's in nice condition, sans the little bit of rust on it. i just started a new job so i have money to waste. i was considering some higher end parts for this project. i'm a casual rider for the most part, and i just moved to a new city so i don't really have others to ride with yet (this is exacerbated by the cold weather). sorry, i'm not trying to write a novel here so i'll cut to the chase.

these are some components i was checking into for the bike. i don't really feel like spending this much money on the parts so if you know of anything that's more bang for my buck i'd really appreciate any advice.

i'm 6'1 and i weigh about 230 pounds. i'm a fat kid so i'd like strong parts that ride smoothly. i don't intend on TTing or competing in races or anything so weight isn't really a concern, i just want quality parts that are durable enough to take a pothole. considering buying all of this stuff from http://www.benscycle.net

nitto technomic stem
mks sylvan track bike pedals
mks sylvan toe clips
sugino 75 crank
sugino 75 bottom bracket
nitto rb-021 bullhorns (slight drop)
euro-asia imports super star cog
izumi eco track chain
velocity deep v rims
suzue pro-max #1 36h track hubs

after all of this is said and done it'd cost in the realm of $1,000. for a rider of my size, would anyone recommend different parts? does anyone know of a company that makes parts specifically for heavier riders? also--i was considering aerospoke tires because i've heard they're extremely durable. i'm considering them as an alternative to the deep vs.
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Old 02-15-07, 01:22 PM   #2
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Sounds like a high end, tough as nails setup to me man, the 36h deep v wheels will be very good for a heavy guy. This list of parts is very high in bling factor compared to that frame. Someone who knows old schwinns will be able to tell you whether the 75 bb will go in the schhwinn's bb shell.

To save substantial $ you could go with an old shimano 600 crankset off ebay and a cheapo 107mm shimano square taper cartridge bb.

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don't throw anywhere near that much money at a world sport.
Either buy a better frame(maybe with some functional parts attached) or get cheaper stuff. If you just want solid parts and aren't racing sugino 75's(especially the bb) izumi chains, nitto nechnomic stems etc are just a waste
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you'll want about 72 spokes to go along with that
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don't throw anywhere near that much money at a world sport.
Either buy a better frame(maybe with some functional parts attached) or get cheaper stuff. If you just want solid parts and aren't racing sugino 75's(especially the bb) izumi chains, nitto nechnomic stems etc are just a waste
do you have any suggestions as alternatives to that stuff? also, any suggestions on a better, older frame that is fairly accessible--or know where i can find one online? i'm going to a bikeshop that specializes in older stuff so they may have a decently priced older frame. i'm trying to get something that rides nicely but isn't appealing enough for someone who doesn't know about bikes to want to steal--if that makes any sort of sense.


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you'll want about 72 spokes to go along with that
don't make fun of the fat kid
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don't make fun of the fat kid
i don't think he was. you'll need 72 spokes to lace up your two 36-spoke wheels.
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i don't think he was. you'll need 72 spokes to lace up your two 36-spoke wheels.
oh yeah, i guess that makes sense!

i decided to not include that tidbit. ideally i'm going to get 72, 17 gauge double-butted spokes so they can take my weight.
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i agree that it seems like a lot of money to spend on a cheap frame. not that you shouldn't go for quality or that the frame is bad, but just that the benefits of really high end components (mainly light weight and stiffness) might be lost on a heavy, flexy frame.

however, i wont tell you not to get good parts. the ones you mentioned will probably last a long time and perform well, perhaps saving you money in the long run.

but 230 pounds (which is really not bad for a 6'1" guy, in my opinion) shouldn't rule out some of the other bang-for-your-buck components like formula hubs, sugino rd cranks, kmc chain etc.

either way enjoy planning out your new build, looks like it'll turn into a fun bike.
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oh yeah, i guess that makes sense!

i decided to not include that tidbit. ideally i'm going to get 72, 17 gauge double-butted spokes so they can take my weight.
17 gauge? Try a 14/15/14 double-butted. Way stronger and likely cheaper...
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check on ebay. for 1000 u could get a great frame with great parts. check on the f/s sticky here. people are always upgrading and u could find a frame in ur size with some parts. As for the type of frame it's all up to u. I ride a bareknuckle, u could get a bianchi pista, you could get an iro, or gan well pro or what ever, what ever color you are felling. go to the trackstar website, ben's cycles, the bike biz web site. they will most def. help u build a frame of ur choice or choose from them.
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do you have any suggestions as alternatives to that stuff? also, any suggestions on a better, older frame that is fairly accessible--or know where i can find one online? i'm going to a bikeshop that specializes in older stuff so they may have a decently priced older frame. i'm trying to get something that rides nicely but isn't appealing enough for someone who doesn't know about bikes to want to steal--if that makes any sort of sense.




don't make fun of the fat kid
Sugino 75s -> sugino rds and shimano un73
izumi chain -> sram pc-1
suzue promax -> formulas
deep vs -> cxp22s
nitto technomic -> something decent out of a parts bin
sylvans -> something meant to be used with soft soled shoes

the key with getting a frame is to try to find something decent with most of the non-shifty bits in working order. Stem, seatpost, headset, crankset, brake caliper, etc. Then replace the expendable stuff(bb, chain, tires, brake pads, cables) and throw on a new rear wheel or wheelset. The chances of finding something like that at a shop for a good price are pretty low. Look around on ebay and craigs list. If you avoid the biggest brands you can probably have something really nice for under 500 finished.
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Old 02-15-07, 02:35 PM   #12
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Sugino 75s -> sugino rds and shimano un73
izumi chain -> sram pc-1
suzue promax -> formulas
deep vs -> cxp22s
nitto technomic -> something decent out of a parts bin
sylvans -> something meant to be used with soft soled shoes
These are pretty much the standards, and are good recommendations. But don't forget to get all the other crap too (saddle, seatpost, bars, brakes, etc.).

For pedals, the MKS GR-9's are pretty much the way to go for regular shoes and toe clips.
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Old 02-15-07, 03:01 PM   #13
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thanks for all the help guys, i'm leaving work but i'll be checking this later tonight
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Go ahead and buy good components. If you are already planning this much and you stick with it, you will probably end up buying a nicer frame anyway. Quality parts last longer and can always be moved onto the next frame. One of the great things about building up your own bike is that you begin to learn exactly what is available, so you can end up with more unique. If you are into older steel frames, look into vintage parts mixed to go along with the new. I have an old Italian frame with lots of old Campy Record parts along and new Nitto bullhorns like what you are looking at. I think it makes for a great combination.
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=Quality parts last longer
That's true if you are talking about really cheap stuff but the durability difference between the level of parts originally posted and what I suggested is negligible. The ONLY reason every bike posted here has them and every poster wants them is for the bling factor. Other then that they are just a waste of money for a daily use bike. Especially when a better ride could be had by getting cheaper components and spending a bit on a nicer frame.
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I'm not saying he needs to buy Phils when Formulas are more than enough for most people. Quality does not necessarily mean top-of-the-line expensive. Buying cheap parts can cost you time and money. I know from experience that Suzue Jr. hubs on Alex rims, despite good maintenance, wear out quickly and don't stay true very long.
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Sugino 75s -> sugino rds and shimano un73
izumi chain -> sram pc-1
suzue promax -> formulas
deep vs -> cxp22s
nitto technomic -> something decent out of a parts bin
sylvans -> something meant to be used with soft soled shoes

the key with getting a frame is to try to find something decent with most of the non-shifty bits in working order. Stem, seatpost, headset, crankset, brake caliper, etc. Then replace the expendable stuff(bb, chain, tires, brake pads, cables) and throw on a new rear wheel or wheelset. The chances of finding something like that at a shop for a good price are pretty low. Look around on ebay and craigs list. If you avoid the biggest brands you can probably have something really nice for under 500 finished.
agreed. but id say go for deep v's. as far as the frame, if you like old steel(im an avid supporter of steel cuz you cant get quality today like you did back then unless you go custom) try to get something a lil better. put those parts on the frame you have now but later on you can upgrade to a better frame. personally i like road frames cuz they're more street friendly and wont have to worry about toe overlap as with some track frames. check out my 1st sig. i got the frame for and fork brand new for $200 so you can find something better. i was very close the edge on buyin an aerospoke but i had some nice folks say it really isn't worth it because it will defeat your goal of keeping the bike as un-theft apealing. those wheels just scream, I AM WORTH SOMETHING, LOOK AT ME! hope this helps somewhat
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i decided to not include that tidbit. ideally i'm going to get 72, 17 gauge double-butted spokes so they can take my weight.

FYI in spoke gauges smaller numbers are thicker spokes. 14 gauge is standard for rear wheels. Front wheels sometimes use 15 gauge. 17 gage spokes are WAY narrow. I've never heard of 17 gauge spokes being used in a wheel, but that doesn't mean they aren't it just means I've never heard of it.
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I'm 6'2" and 220lbs and the only weight/equipment related worry that I had was weather my 32 hole Wolber rear would hold me (a riding buddy rides a Trek madone with bontranger rims and something around 20 spokes, he's 6'4" and around 210 lbs).
See what you can get off ebay first before you pay top $ for whats on your list. Formula hubs and deep vs are a good mix (straight guage spokes). No name $10 cog
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