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    sugino 75s + phil BB

    going to open up an oldold can of worms and ask if anyone has resolved this once and for all by actually installing this pair on a bike?

    remember...not spindle length, taper is the question...

    the closest thing i could come to a definitive answer was from this thread, additional bold is my own.
    this too


    Quote Originally Posted by 46x17
    Okay, here is the answer from Brent at Phil Wook regarding this topic:

    No one has ever indicated there is a compatibility issue to us when using the "standard" taper. We have tested the 75 cranks here and determined that "standard" taper is the best fit. However I have not actually ever measured or tested the Sugino BB so I can't tell you what it is. I know the crank is JIS based on the set we were sent and it fit just fine.

    Let me know if I can help with anything else.



    Thanks,
    Brent


    and

    Someone can feel free to send me a dead sugino BB if they like
    and in the spirit of the current american administration, here is my preemptive defense against "why don't you just use a sugino 75 bb?" because i already pitted one and i'm clearly too lazy to maintain one and want sealed cartridge.

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    works fine
    ive been on that combo for 3 years now
    took it on a tour around europe

    if you have the goods already put them together

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    Yes, works fine.
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    I've been using this combo for about 3 months. Phil BB is 108mm with a "standard" taper. My chainline up front is ~43-44mm with BB ~1mm off center to bring the chainring closer to the frame. So at least for me it's a little wide, but works well with my cog which is a tad more than 42mm from the centerline as well. I kind of wish the spindle was 1-2mm shorter so I could center the BB with perfect chainline, but I guess that's why it's adjustable...

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    Yes, SG75 is JIS. Yes, it fits fine on a Phil BB. I'm using the 111mm version because the clearance looked like it was going to be an issue with the 108mm version. I didn't have a single taper issue in the four months that I rode it before it got packed up for the winter.
    Quote Originally Posted by sp00ki View Post
    Using a nicer sealed bearing headset vs a $10 set is like throwing a frisbee vs a dodgeball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlock
    Yes, SG75 is JIS. Yes, it fits fine on a Phil BB. I'm using the 111mm version because the clearance looked like it was going to be an issue with the 108mm version.
    same here. 111mm JIS Phil BB with sugino 75s. Works great. The chainline is adjustable 2.5mms either way and the 111 gets you within the range of a straight chainline. The 108 would work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlock
    Yes, SG75 is JIS. Yes, it fits fine on a Phil BB. I'm using the 111mm version because the clearance looked like it was going to be an issue with the 108mm version. I didn't have a single taper issue in the four months that I rode it before it got packed up for the winter.
    thanks for all the replies. guess this was settled without me noticing.

    now, 108mm v 111mm. would clearance matter though since you're just going to move it out or in depending on which one you get? that is, 108mm may put you a little close initially but you're just going move it out anyways. and 111mm gives you space but you're bringing it in.

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    I think you mean exactly the opposite. With a 108 spindle, you would have to move the drive side out, moving the non-drive side towards the BB. Now if your non-drive crank is within a mm or two using a proper 109 BB (like mine was), moving the crank in a little might put it right on the bottom bracket shell (in which case, you'd be screwed and would have to get the longer spindle anyway). I chose to err on the side of caution and asked the guys at Phil. They suggested the 111 and it works like a dream.
    Quote Originally Posted by sp00ki View Post
    Using a nicer sealed bearing headset vs a $10 set is like throwing a frisbee vs a dodgeball.

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    I got a 108 JIS spindle. works fine because it's adjustable....though I admit the clearance between spider and chainstay is probably under a millimeter. I'm not sure if that's because of the spindle length though - the chainline is right on. frame might just be real tight right there.

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    im riding the combo with a 109 works perfect and smooth

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    Uh, does Phil make a 109?

    Quote Originally Posted by NNNN
    I got a 108 JIS spindle. works fine because it's adjustable....though I admit the clearance between spider and chainstay is probably under a millimeter. I'm not sure if that's because of the spindle length though - the chainline is right on. frame might just be real tight right there.
    No, that isn't a spindle issue. If your chainline is straight, there's nothing you can do short of shimming the cog and buying a longer spindle. All this 108 v. 111 debate affects is the non-drive side crank clearance (assuming a perfect chainline).
    Quote Originally Posted by sp00ki View Post
    Using a nicer sealed bearing headset vs a $10 set is like throwing a frisbee vs a dodgeball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimlock
    Uh, does Phil make a 109?
    according to their website, not as a prefab option.

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