deathhare

I had a set of wheels built by Carnival in Tokyo. When i picked up the wheels the spoke tension was quite loose. He said he could tighten them more (why didnt he tighten them in the first place?) if i wanted to bring them back. I didnt have much time that day so i took them and decided to ride them for awhile and bring them back. I rode them about a week and they were already out of true and even looser.
I took them back and said please fix these things. I waited about and hour while he tensioned and tried to true them. He was struggling i could tell, so i was patient. Finally he was done. The tension of the spokes is now uneven. The front is has a little hop. The rear has a bad hop. I wanted to tell them they sucked dick but I just took my wheels and left. After riding home about 10 miles on em theyre even worse.

Clearly they didnt go to wheel building school at that shop.

Now theyre so randomly tensioned and weird that im not even gonna attempt to frustrate myself and try to fix them. Im taking them to a real shop and having them righted i guess. Something i dont really have time to do. Grrr.

SO irritated about this. I feel like an idiot as well for some reason.
Please pet me and tell me itll be ok.

One of the victims:

andre nickatina

I just ****ed over the tension on my front wheel trying to teach myself to true wheels. Guess I should leave it to the experts. My front rim is now horribly out of true if that makes you feel any better.

deathhare

Yes, it does. Thank you for your effort.

autostrada048

I tried to do it myself aswell...


I suck at it...

It was worth a try i hope you have better luck with your wheels

deathhare

I talked to Kalavinka just now, they said they would fix them. Gonna cost me 30 bucks but i KNOW itll be done right.
If i could do it over id have Kalavinka build them in the first place. Live and learn i guess.

shogun17

I built a few wheels, and got a crappy feel for it. My first wheels was shaped more like a flat basketball, but they are getting better.

deathhare

The new Kiyo just came..i feel happy again.

silent1

In my limited experience (8 handbuilt wheelsets, and 3 pre-built) once a wheel is built incorrectly there is only one way to fix it perfectly and that is to start at the beginning. You don't have to completely disassemble the wheel but de-tension all of the spokes and start fresh. Some people can take out wheel hop but I have been unsuccessful in all of my attempts. I can usually get the hop out but it just makes other problems with the wheel and you will constantly struggle with it. Side to side play is easy to fix, usless it is horrible, but wheel hop is a whole different animal.

filtersweep

The best way to learn how to true is to build them from scratch.

mcatano

Let me know when you decide to sell that one, please. I get excited about Kiyos.

deathhare

Yeah i may sell it. Im unsure.
Its so perfect that if i ride it and it gets scratched or something my head will explode. I might sell my Makino im riding and run the Kiyo though.
Its slightly smaller but it may be perfect.
I have another frame coming too that might be better for me anyway.

deathhare

More venting.
Kalavinka now says they dont want to deal with Carnival's mess. Im not surprised and i feel the same way.
So now i have to go back and make Carnival get it right. To be honest, I dont think they have the ability.
So ****ing annoying.

chunts

That might be because radial truing (taking out hops) takes I think like 4x the tension to adjust the same amount as lateral truing. its also important to tighten/loosen adjacent spokes near the hop that go to either side of the hub so as not to take it out of lateral true.

its also my experience that getting the tension even when you first build a wheel is key, or at the very least makes it way easier to get the wheel radially true. if it's off from the start, yeah its gonna be a PITA to fix.

unbelievably

How is your Japanese?
I am in Kurume.
If you need the original wheel builder to get the job done,
you have to tell them that it is what they have to do.
If you need any help with the communication,
let me know...
We'll get then on your wheels and then some.

deathhare

Hey thanks.
Fortunately the guy that built the wheels speaks English ok.
Tommorow i am stopping there and leaving my wheels. I plan to tell them to make them perfect by the next day or i want a refund for the work.

Personally, i can deal with a little out of true and even a little hop. But this is a new wheel build and so should be perfect. I dont think the guy understands that or something.

br995

Makes me not want to buy their DVD. With the prices they charge and now this, they seem like they're all about making money and looking cool.

Aeroplane

I don't see what's so hard about it if you understand what's going on. You adjust the lateral true in one section by tightening and loosening the spokes on each side. You adjust the radial true by tightening and loosening the spokes in one area.

I've fixed some seriously effed wheels with a combination of this and beating them against a block of wood to bend them straight again. It's not tough, it just takes some time.

deathhare

See, that may be the key here. Im not sure he knows whats going on.

deathhare

Thats kinda the vibe there but who knows.
I doubt ill buy anything else there unless they get their $hit together on these wheels.

sniks

hheeeeeyyy wait.

I'll buy you a copy and take the guilt on my own shoulders, all you have to do is ship me one.

but if you still get jacked on those wheels I'll boycott them too

but to your deal that sucks man sorry about that ***** I got my own issue that worked me with MAVIC, my lockring poppped off trying to stop at a red light .f-ed up the cone pinching it some how on the way off so that it didn't spin freely. anyway I had there fancy MP3 warranty and the F-ing a$$ holes tried and said that thats not covered, but if you smash it into a curb they would, after a bunch of ***** on the phone he said he would but if it get JACKED again that I'm S.O.L.

another thing he was trying to pull was that that wouldn't happen on a track....well either would running it to a curb....

I rode that wheel for maybe Ten miles.

queerpunk

if that shop is decent, they should acknowledge that they did a terrible job and fix it by doing it right, for free. a shop that builds wheels should true them for free after they've been "broken in," as wheels going a bit out of true after an initial riding period is normal. post-breaking-in truing should be considered part of the wheelbuild.

deathhare

Well im going there tommorow. Ill post up the results in this thread.
thanks for your comments.

headlessspider

i like those pretty hubs

wroomwroomoops

plus one !! (isn't that "+1" really ghey? But "plus one" is probably just as ghey, I guess)

The only way to solve correctly such aproblem is, I believe, detentioning all the spokes - but don't disassemble the wheel - and retention it carefully.

I would warmly suggest, however, reading Sheldon Brown's article on wheel building, from cover to cover (so to say). It's indispensible information for anbody interested in wheelbuilding.


P.S. If "detentioning" is not a word, I apologize. You know what I meant, though, right?

bonechilling

I know this isn't the point of this thread, and that you've
probably answered this question before, but what kind of
rims are those? I really dig 'em.