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Old 03-25-07, 09:44 AM   #1
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Weltrad German Bikes? Check out this photo.

Check out this bike. i just came across it on the internet. Does anyone read german? I was wondering if this bike is currently for sale, etc.

Here is the site : http://www.weltrad.de/index.php?cat=...2b63e6f3ede1c/[ATTACH]000001_zoom.jpg[/ATTACH]
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Old 03-25-07, 09:52 AM   #2
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i can barely get by with german. i do think it's for sale, but you have to contact them for the price
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babelfish translates that last line to
"Price and equipment on request"
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Old 03-25-07, 12:22 PM   #4
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Does anyone read german? I was wondering if this bike is currently for sale, etc.

I will just translate the second half of the text, the first half ist just blahblah aubout what a style-statement this bike is...

- made to measure according to historical drafts

- original Torpedo hub (thatīs the "Sachs"-Original) from 1960, NOS

- Wooden Rims (You may choose the look of another wood-type)

- The front brake is this old press-a-rubberpiece-on-the-tire

- lugged reynoldstubes, premium quality, special ornemental lugs

- leather bar-tape

- weight is only 10,3 kilo

Ask for price and details!

Forgive my poor English...

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that brake is great
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The simplest things are the sweetest, in life:

http://www.weltrad.de/index.php?lang...2b63e6f3ede1c/
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Go to their home page, select english.

EDIT: ^ beat me to it.
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That geometry looks horrible...
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It's pure, classic, and timeless!
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Is that NJS approved? Can I get an Aerospoke front?
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That geometry looks horrible...
Those angles are about as retro as you can get. Ride it drunk and you still ride in a straight line.
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Old 03-25-07, 01:20 PM   #12
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Those angles are about as retro as you can get. Ride it drunk and you still ride in a straight line.
This particular bike will not ride very straight at all: if you look carefully (perhaps use a ruler), you'll notice that it has 0 trail! Let me remind you that, the more trail a bike has, the more stable it rides, but it's not very "lively" when steering.

This bike will be quite twitchy, and absolutely not your first choice to ride intoxicated.

I could bury you with a ton of links to references, but why be anal-retentie
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Old 03-25-07, 01:23 PM   #13
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Don't confuse me with any facts about my new favorite bike!

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I think I want one for reasons unexplainable. Right side of my brain just kicked left side's proverbial ass.
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Did I do this right? Discuss.
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Yeah, that's right. It doesn't have any ridiculous amount of trail, but more than a Pista, make dern sure.
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I don't think they had any intention of it being an "old school" track bike, so comparisons to track bikes and geo seem a bit unfair. Total turn of the century roadster/speedster. If that was their inspiration, then they hit it right on, geo, handlebars, coaster brake, tire width, etc.
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I don't think they had any intention of it being an "old school" track bike, so comparisons to track bikes and geo seem a bit unfair. Total turn of the century roadster/speedster. If that was their inspiration, then they hit it right on, geo, handlebars, coaster brake, tire width, etc.
I really really really would like to try to climb some classic route on that rig - just to see if I could. And am not probably the only one
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Wow, scorcher-tacular. I think I'm in love.

just realized, wood rims.

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Did I do this right? Discuss.
Almost; the line along the steering tube axis is not running exactly along the steering tube axis - looks almost as if you "cheated" to make it look as if it had more trail than what it really has.

But you didn't do that on purpose, huh?
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No. That fork is bent.
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OK, not a huge difference, but it's as correct as I could muster.

I was wrong, it does have some trail, but still, it is very little.

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I can never figure out the physics behind trail and the discussions always leave me confused, but I would assume that the head tube angle would act like a high trail fork--i.e. getting the front wheel out there and extending the wheelbase. It sounds like you all are saying that even a bike with a totally relaxed head tube angle could still be twichy, it doesn't make sense to me but it would be good to know if that is the case. If it is then this would still be "race" geometry, right?

Also, I'm glad others are enjoying this bike. I about lost my mind when I came upon it during a web search for european city bikes. I also bet the guy at ANT bikes in boston could make a cool ultra-retro-fixed gear racer like this. I'm already starting to save my money.
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I would assume that the head tube angle would act like a high trail fork--i.e. getting the front wheel out there and extending the wheelbase. It sounds like you all are saying that even a bike with a totally relaxed head tube angle could still be twichy

The head tube angle is perhaps "relaxed", but that fork has a lot of rake.

Try this: take a bike with a fork that has lots of rake (like the one in this case), loosen the stem, turn the fork/front wheel 180 degrees, and re-tighten the stem, and try riding it like that. You'll notice that it's infinitely more stable - you almost don't have to hold the handlebar at all, to go straight. However, it will corner like a cow.


EDIT: useful link, I thought of putting it here for my own benefit:
http://www.phred.org/~josh/bike/trail.html

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So I checked it out again and I still like it, but they could have done a better job with a more classic crankset and stem.
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