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Old 05-17-07, 10:05 AM   #1
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Keirin grips or bar tape?

What do you guys like (for flop and chops but really any bars)? I had some Champ keirin grips which weren't very soft and a little thick. Was thinking about maybe Strong Gs maybe if they are a little stickier. I like Oury's on the flats but don't use the flats much, usually ride the shoulders on any bar. Cinelli Cork seems to wear pretty quickly particularly on my right hand that I sometimes brace against for skids. That Bontrager rubberized looks cool but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Old 05-17-07, 10:11 AM   #2
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I think you are a bit too into brand names....any decent bar tape will do.
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Old 05-17-07, 10:17 AM   #3
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I find the Specialized S-Wrap gel/cork tape to be the best I've ever used. Very comfy, tacky grip surface, stretches without breaking, and best of all, you can rewrap the stuff dozens of times if you need to for some reason. The goo on the back is like thick post-it note stuff. Holds but doesn't gum on.

High recommendation. Good color choices, too.

Brands do matter. Some are better than others.
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I think you are a bit into brand names....any decent grips will do.
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Old 05-17-07, 10:24 AM   #5
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I'm into brand names, band names, band aids, and pretty braids. I'm into hop scotch and bagels with lox, too. I'm into oranges... aw screw it.
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I think you are a bit into brand names....any decent grips will do.
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I think you are a bit too into brand names....any decent bar tape will do.
Did either of you need to post this or are you just jerking off your own egos cause you are somewhat supposedly less of a consumer than the OP?
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Does your stem have a pop off mount or do you have to clear the bars like on common threaded stems?

I'd do grips if I was using a threaded stem, if only for bar switching, although after I got my Nitto bars, I haven't swapped them at all.. Hmm....

I like my Deda tape, but the colors kinda suck (the blue is too muted for my taste). Takes some pretty good abuse though, although not as much as rubber grips will.
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Did either of you need to post this or are you just jerking off your own egos cause you are somewhat supposedly less of a consumer than the OP?
It's got nothing to do with being a consumer, clearly I buy bar tape, and any decent brand will do. There really isn't a huge difference between them.
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I've got strong G's on the drops, and wrap the bars with Bike Ribbon Spugna on the top, which is my favorite bar tape.
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I'm getting into cloth tape + shellac, just because of the cheapness and durability. When i ran gel and cork tapes I had to replace tape a lot after minor accidents, etc.

Hockey tape is actually working very well on one of my bikes. And you have a full roll, making its cost cheaper than real bar tape by one or two orders of magnitude. It's actually bull**** that regular cotton bar tape is so expensive for a tiny roll, but maybe someone knows a good reasonwhy this is so.

Exhibit A http://www.hockeyguys.com/index.asp?...WPROD&ProdID=5

Exhibit B http://www.lickbike.com/productpage....9;1189-05'

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Old 05-17-07, 10:41 AM   #11
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I'm into brand names, band names, band aids, and pretty braids. I'm into hop scotch and bagels with lox, too. I'm into oranges... aw screw it.
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whats the scoop on cloth + shellac? how do you do it? I want something that is durable.
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It's easy man. You get shellac flakes at a nice woodworking place (in Canada Lee Valley has it; you get enough to do many, many bars for about $8), then dissolve some of them in alcohol or another mild solvent as per the instructions, then brush it on. It's durable as hell, easy to touch up, stays super clean and it looks nice to boot. The regular non-bleached amber shellac does neat things when it goes over colours like fluorescent pink, red and yellow. Basically you get variations on a very pleasing leather-like look. Especially over fluoresent colours it's classy and muted but with an interesting edge at the same time.

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Old 05-17-07, 01:50 PM   #14
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I use cateye cloth without shellac, and I like it just fine. Not as much padding but a lot of grip, gets kinda soggy in wet whether. I like the new cinelli gel tape stuff too. It looks like your bars are wraped in condoms, but it's comfy.
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grips are not cushy, that's not the point of them. They are hard and grip well. Bar tape is cushy. I compensate for the grips lack of cushiness by wearing padded gloves.
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Did either of you need to post this or are you just jerking off your own egos cause you are somewhat supposedly less of a consumer than the OP?
No, they are just suggesting that you go to the LBS and buy that one roll of bar tape thats really good. Its kind of hit and miss, but such is the life of the brand hater.

Cinelli cork - Love it, but pretty thin and not that cushy or durable. Looks great, wraps decently, but will be kind get quite a bit more messed up each rewrap. The edges taper off to really thin and are prone to tearing, also if you stretch the tape too much. The adhesive tape strip will pretty much always stick to the bars making unwrapping kind of a pain. Kind of expensive.

Soma thick and juicy - tough as nails, super cushy and thick, scraped texture for good grip, cool colours (esp. camouflage). really stretchy and hard to rip, good for rewrapping. Pretty expensive.

Aztec kit with the foam bar pads and black foam bar tape for on top - SUPER DUPER SUPER CUSHY. The foam pads are great, but the black foam bar tape is weak. It stretches pretty well but its really fragile and looks pretty crappy and I don't like the texture. I'd suggest new tape on top of the pads, making the set pretty expensive.

cateye cotton tape - Griipy but I'm not a big fan. pretty cheap and looks good though.

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grips are not cushy, that's not the point of them. They are hard and grip well. Bar tape is cushy. I compensate for the grips lack of cushiness by wearing padded gloves.
yesterday, i learned that track grips get slippery in the rain.
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It's easy man. You get shellac flakes at a nice woodworking place (in Canada Lee Valley has it; you get enough to do many, many bars for about $8), then dissolve some of them in alcohol or another mild solvent as per the instructions, then brush it on. It's durable as hell, easy to touch up, stays super clean and it looks nice to boot. The regular non-bleached amber shellac does neat things when it goes over colours like fluorescent pink, red and yellow. Basically you get variations on a very pleasing leather-like look. Especially over fluoresent colours it's classy and muted but with an interesting edge at the same time.
Home Depot used to have Bullseye clear (non-Amber) shellac in a spray can. Just wrap the bar, tape off the rest of the bar that you don't want shellaced, spray and you're good to go. Probably not as practical if you've already built up the bike, but if you're just starting out and you have the bar in the stem (or the stem has a removable face) it can be neater and quicker than using flakes and a brush.

Disclaimer: I rarely use this stuff myself, but that's because I like cork tape. I change it every time I clean my bike (which is about once a fortnight; my house and car look like crap, but the bike is clean, yes, sir), because I use white tape a lot, and I like the look of fresh cork tape. Sue me.
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It's easy man. You get shellac flakes at a nice woodworking place (in Canada Lee Valley has it; you get enough to do many, many bars for about $8), then dissolve some of them in alcohol or another mild solvent as per the instructions, then brush it on. It's durable as hell, easy to touch up, stays super clean and it looks nice to boot. The regular non-bleached amber shellac does neat things when it goes over colours like fluorescent pink, red and yellow. Basically you get variations on a very pleasing leather-like look. Especially over fluoresent colours it's classy and muted but with an interesting edge at the same time.
that sounds great. I've heard of people doing this before but never seriously considered it. how do they feel? thanks!
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Disclaimer: I rarely use this stuff myself, but that's because I like cork tape. I change it every time I clean my bike (which is about once a fortnight; my house and car look like crap, but the bike is clean, yes, sir), because I use white tape a lot, and I like the look of fresh cork tape. Sue me.
Holy bar tape consumption Batman! Thats like nursing a cigarette addiction! Personally I kind of like the look of well used and filthy, but well taken care of bar tape. Once its 50% covered in electrical tape is when I usually replace it.
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champs you *****s, champs.


seriously, i was a hardcore clothe tape user until i said "hey, i have money in my pocket, what if i spent some of it on some over priced accesorry that will match the rest of my stupid looking bike!"
now, i never have to pay for tape(advantage one) and if the grips get dirty, all i need to do is get some soap and water to wash em clean instead of unwrapping dingy tape and sort of vomiting in my mouth from the palm-sweat stench(advantage two).

now, if you are like some people and you have a bad habbit of constantly changing crap on your bike, grips are not for you, they are somewhat permanent(disadvantage one).
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I just ordered some white Yoshida Champs today from Ben's. The 2 mil thickness. Kind of wanted the 3 for plushness but I don't know what I'm doing because I've never even seen them in person before. On the interweb they looked softer than the Super-G.
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Holy bar tape consumption Batman! Thats like nursing a cigarette addiction!
Well... I do that, too. Not proud of it, but it is what it is.
I toked for three years before I ever touched a cigarette, then one summer...BAM! a couple packs later and I'm hooked. I'm going to put the cigs down one day before they put me down. Jusy haven't chosen the day.
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i like champ grips for the same reason i like clothe tape. theres something about the feel of near-bare bars that i like. the plushy-juicy-thick-supple-dumpy feeling of the other stuff just doenst feel right.
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that sounds great. I've heard of people doing this before but never seriously considered it. how do they feel? thanks!
Hard and smooth, but still slightly grippy. It's an acquired taste but I actually prefer it to the cushy feel of cork or gel.
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