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Old 06-16-07, 10:55 AM   #1
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Wheel Build.... Decisions decisions.

I am getting ready to hopefully have a wheelset built up at my local lbs. I am wondering if the $550 it would cost to lace some deep v's to a phil wood flip flop rear and phil wood front hub with dt swiss competition spokes is worth it or if i should just buy stock deep v's from iro, ebay, etc. Gimme some feedback before I spend the rent money.
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Fly Bike Shop was selling Deep Vs with formulas for $225 shipped, I think that is the best bet.
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Deep V + formula + Phil-grade bearings + $300 = Phil + Deep V. I like $300 more than I like the Phil logo, but that's just me, and I'm cheap.
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how do the formulas compare with the phil wood stuff?
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Both are precision-machined fancy aluminum cylinders with pressed-in cartridge bearings and hardened steel axles. Formulas have a slight problem with the locknuts being so hard they're brittle, but you can replace then for a few $ if you crack them, and when they do go you don't fall down or anything, the pieces stay locked in place by the tension on the axle. Phils have a hex key axle system that is kind of nice, but they're also rather heavy and take a less common lockring. Mainly, phils have a nicer finish and a longer pedigree.
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I will bring this to the attention of the wrenches at the lbs. To be honest though they are confused by the amount of money I am putting into what was originally a $100 bike.
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Deep V + formula + Phil-grade bearings + $300 = Phil + Deep V. I like $300 more than I like the Phil logo, but that's just me, and I'm cheap.
Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
generally a false economy, because the same effective
hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.
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Juuuuussst like a Chris King headset.
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Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
generally a false economy, because the same effective
hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.
Fair enough, but I found my Phil/Open Pro wheels on CL for $250. It was kind of a no-brainer.
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Juuuuussst like a Chris King headset.
$60 slightly used on CL.
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Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
generally a false economy, because the same effective
hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.
Another personal opinion masquerading as credible information.
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I had a set of Deep V's laced to Paul's recently for waaaay to much money and while they are super nice wheels I may sell them. I was getting slippage the other day and almost had a heart attack because I though I may have stripped my hub. I am totally paranoid about messing them up and am using a torque wrench religiously. And I am totally paranoid about them getting stolen which is influencing where I ride to, and where I lock up. Surlys or Formula's or whatever would be a ton cheaper and the performance difference would be minimal if any at all. I vote for cheaper hubs.
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With the money I save on the hubs I can finally afford that slightly used chris king headset! So formulas? What should I have the LBS order instead of the phil wood's?
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Another personal opinion masquerading as credible information.
Certainly my conjecture about wanting "blingy hubs" was personal
opinion, but that obviously was not meant to be taken as "credible
information." Anyone who interpreted it that was is just... stupid.

As for the hubs, what part of that is opinion?
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Maybe I need some bling if I want to live up to my sig...
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Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
generally a false economy, because the same effective
hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.

yes, phil hubs are pretty, and :
- you can find them fixed/fixed easily, which is not true for Formula/deep V's found on ebay.
- their lockring reduces chance to strip hubs as they are easier to tighten IMO
- you can probably save a few $ if you get them at thebikebiz ($450 w/o shipping)
- life is short, so if you have the $s, don't think too much and go for them : they are really nice.
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Fair enough, but I found my Phil/Open Pro wheels on CL for $250. It was kind of a no-brainer.
Of course, but an eBay deal hardly invalidates my argument.
I won a pair of "Durace" brand track hubs for $50-something
about a year ago, but I couldn't possibly claim that means
means Dura Ace hubs are a better value than Formula.
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youre doing the nishiki conversion right? why would you put a 550 dollar wheelset on a 75 dollar road bike?

get these

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yes, phil hubs are pretty, and :
- you can find them fixed/fixed easily, which is not true for Formula/deep V's found on ebay.
- their lockring reduces chance to strip hubs as they are easier to tighten IMO
- you can probably save a few $ if you get them at thebikebiz ($450 w/o shipping)
- life is short, so if you have the $s, don't think too much and go for them : they are really nice.
phil hubs are not that pretty and :
-fixed/fixed formula hubs are everywhere
-im sure tightening lockrings is the same on both hubs
-thats still ridiculously expensive
-do something more productive with the money : they aren't that nice
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youre doing the nishiki conversion right? why would you put a 400 dollar wheelseat on a 75 dollar road bike?

get these

I have big plans for that little bike. Also, I am pretty sure the arraya/ weinmann combo I have on there now are better than those sun rims. I also don't sell any of my parts so if I wanna learn my way around the conversion thing with the nishiki and transfer my bling to a nicer frame i'll have just one more rideable bike.

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I couldn't possibly claim that means
means Dura Ace hubs are a better value than Formula.
For most people no, but it depends on the intended use.
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As for the hubs, what part of that is opinion?
Unless you can present factual evidence, it's just that.

Sorry you couldn't afford them.
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$60 slightly used on CL.
Why is it that someone always has to chime in about how cheap they got a CK headset when someone says what crap value they are.
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