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    Wheel Build.... Decisions decisions.

    I am getting ready to hopefully have a wheelset built up at my local lbs. I am wondering if the $550 it would cost to lace some deep v's to a phil wood flip flop rear and phil wood front hub with dt swiss competition spokes is worth it or if i should just buy stock deep v's from iro, ebay, etc. Gimme some feedback before I spend the rent money.
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    Fly Bike Shop was selling Deep Vs with formulas for $225 shipped, I think that is the best bet.

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    Deep V + formula + Phil-grade bearings + $300 = Phil + Deep V. I like $300 more than I like the Phil logo, but that's just me, and I'm cheap.
    "I don't buy new frames, it just encourages them."

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    how do the formulas compare with the phil wood stuff?
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    Both are precision-machined fancy aluminum cylinders with pressed-in cartridge bearings and hardened steel axles. Formulas have a slight problem with the locknuts being so hard they're brittle, but you can replace then for a few $ if you crack them, and when they do go you don't fall down or anything, the pieces stay locked in place by the tension on the axle. Phils have a hex key axle system that is kind of nice, but they're also rather heavy and take a less common lockring. Mainly, phils have a nicer finish and a longer pedigree.
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    I will bring this to the attention of the wrenches at the lbs. To be honest though they are confused by the amount of money I am putting into what was originally a $100 bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Landgolier
    Deep V + formula + Phil-grade bearings + $300 = Phil + Deep V. I like $300 more than I like the Phil logo, but that's just me, and I'm cheap.
    Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
    generally a false economy, because the same effective
    hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
    tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
    is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.

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    Juuuuussst like a Chris King headset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling
    Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
    generally a false economy, because the same effective
    hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
    tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
    is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.
    Fair enough, but I found my Phil/Open Pro wheels on CL for $250. It was kind of a no-brainer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the pope
    Juuuuussst like a Chris King headset.
    $60 slightly used on CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling
    Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
    generally a false economy, because the same effective
    hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
    tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
    is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.
    Another personal opinion masquerading as credible information.
    This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.

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    I had a set of Deep V's laced to Paul's recently for waaaay to much money and while they are super nice wheels I may sell them. I was getting slippage the other day and almost had a heart attack because I though I may have stripped my hub. I am totally paranoid about messing them up and am using a torque wrench religiously. And I am totally paranoid about them getting stolen which is influencing where I ride to, and where I lock up. Surlys or Formula's or whatever would be a ton cheaper and the performance difference would be minimal if any at all. I vote for cheaper hubs.

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    With the money I save on the hubs I can finally afford that slightly used chris king headset! So formulas? What should I have the LBS order instead of the phil wood's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobber
    Another personal opinion masquerading as credible information.
    Certainly my conjecture about wanting "blingy hubs" was personal
    opinion, but that obviously was not meant to be taken as "credible
    information." Anyone who interpreted it that was is just... stupid.

    As for the hubs, what part of that is opinion?

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    Maybe I need some bling if I want to live up to my sig...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling
    Exactly. Buying Phils because of the perceived quality is
    generally a false economy, because the same effective
    hub can be had for a fraction of the price. Most people
    tell themselves that's why they bought Phils, but the truth
    is that they just wanted blingy hubs, which is fine.

    yes, phil hubs are pretty, and :
    - you can find them fixed/fixed easily, which is not true for Formula/deep V's found on ebay.
    - their lockring reduces chance to strip hubs as they are easier to tighten IMO
    - you can probably save a few $ if you get them at thebikebiz ($450 w/o shipping)
    - life is short, so if you have the $s, don't think too much and go for them : they are really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marqueemoon
    Fair enough, but I found my Phil/Open Pro wheels on CL for $250. It was kind of a no-brainer.
    Of course, but an eBay deal hardly invalidates my argument.
    I won a pair of "Durace" brand track hubs for $50-something
    about a year ago, but I couldn't possibly claim that means
    means Dura Ace hubs are a better value than Formula.

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    youre doing the nishiki conversion right? why would you put a 550 dollar wheelset on a 75 dollar road bike?

    get these
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    they're just natural feelings like, walking off, to ride my bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiney
    yes, phil hubs are pretty, and :
    - you can find them fixed/fixed easily, which is not true for Formula/deep V's found on ebay.
    - their lockring reduces chance to strip hubs as they are easier to tighten IMO
    - you can probably save a few $ if you get them at thebikebiz ($450 w/o shipping)
    - life is short, so if you have the $s, don't think too much and go for them : they are really nice.
    phil hubs are not that pretty and :
    -fixed/fixed formula hubs are everywhere
    -im sure tightening lockrings is the same on both hubs
    -thats still ridiculously expensive
    -do something more productive with the money : they aren't that nice
    they're just natural feelings like, walking off, to ride my bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by drewcifer
    youre doing the nishiki conversion right? why would you put a 400 dollar wheelseat on a 75 dollar road bike?

    get these

    I have big plans for that little bike. Also, I am pretty sure the arraya/ weinmann combo I have on there now are better than those sun rims. I also don't sell any of my parts so if I wanna learn my way around the conversion thing with the nishiki and transfer my bling to a nicer frame i'll have just one more rideable bike.

    p.s. update on the build power grips and flip and chops <3
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling
    I couldn't possibly claim that means
    means Dura Ace hubs are a better value than Formula.
    For most people no, but it depends on the intended use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LóFarkas
    Nancy Grace doesn't **** puppies anymore due to a copyright claim.
    Back in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-JgTnR2jkk
    This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling
    As for the hubs, what part of that is opinion?
    Unless you can present factual evidence, it's just that.

    Sorry you couldn't afford them.
    This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marqueemoon
    $60 slightly used on CL.
    Why is it that someone always has to chime in about how cheap they got a CK headset when someone says what crap value they are.

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