Fair-Trade Bike Shoes?
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Fair-Trade Bike Shoes?
Ok, here's a question for all of you; I've looked into this a lot, and haven't turned up anything good:
Can anyone recommend a good bike shoe, not clipless or anything, just stiff and good looking, that is either fair-trade, or Union made in the U.S.?
I really like the style of a lot of shoe companies like Diadora, or Puma, etc, but am not willing to buy their product (At least not first-hand), for ethical reasons.
If you have any suggestions, that would be great!
Can anyone recommend a good bike shoe, not clipless or anything, just stiff and good looking, that is either fair-trade, or Union made in the U.S.?
I really like the style of a lot of shoe companies like Diadora, or Puma, etc, but am not willing to buy their product (At least not first-hand), for ethical reasons.
If you have any suggestions, that would be great!
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Look comfy in the sock-with-a-sole way, I f'in love minimalist shoes
https://www.mooshoes.com/invoice_vari...oduct_id=76916
Straight outta compton
https://secure11.nexternal.com/share...owID=1357&All=
Groova
https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/pc...hoe-black.aspx
https://www.mooshoes.com/invoice_vari...oduct_id=76916
Straight outta compton
https://secure11.nexternal.com/share...owID=1357&All=
Groova
https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/pc...hoe-black.aspx
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No Sweat's chuck taylor copy cats are nice and cheap, Vegetarian Shoes has more hip styles and they should hold up longer but they are more expensive (order them from Moo Shoes so you dont pay overseas shipping)
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I had a pair of the Ben Shermans. They held up great and would work well for clips.
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hmm, must be tough being true to the fair-trade, union made, vegan way? What about bike parts, food, electronic equipment such as tv, stereo? Are those also according to the guidelines? No offense but it must be damn hard to live up to those wishes.
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Originally Posted by evanyc
ben shermans are made in southeast asia somewhere. they are vegan though
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Originally Posted by freddiesan
hmm, must be tough being true to the fair-trade, union made, vegan way? What about bike parts, food, electronic equipment such as tv, stereo? Are those also according to the guidelines? No offense but it must be damn hard to live up to those wishes.
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Sounds like dude needs to go live here:
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Originally Posted by $0.00/Gal
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Originally Posted by freddiesan
I wonder how they made the website? Did they use a union made computer? I myself love every second of my Made in China laptop.
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or maybe I'm just blowing off steam. I'm well aware of all the aspects on this issue and I do respect the cause. It's just not my cup of tea. What I do need now is to go to bed. Good night!
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Originally Posted by $0.00/Gal
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Anyting made in the USA should suffiently guarantee ethical treatment of those who made it.
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Originally Posted by freddiesan
hmm, must be tough being true to the fair-trade, union made, vegan way? What about bike parts, food, electronic equipment such as tv, stereo? Are those also according to the guidelines? No offense but it must be damn hard to live up to those wishes.
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Any product sold by a willing seller to a willing consumer at an agreed upon price is "fair-trade" in my book
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Originally Posted by skanking biker
Any product sold by a willing seller to a willing consumer at an agreed upon price is "fair-trade" in my book
and i wouldn't say that USA make ensures a well-treated employee. union made is always best. the AFLCIO rates companies without unions in terms of how well they treat their employees. or at least they used to.
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Originally Posted by skanking biker
Any product sold by a willing seller to a willing consumer at an agreed upon price is "fair-trade" in my book
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^^^
not bike shoes, but whatev. i actually do have a pair of their bike shoes, but good luck finding them.
not bike shoes, but whatev. i actually do have a pair of their bike shoes, but good luck finding them.
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Yes, yes, play the slavery card---it works so well
GO over to china and ask one of millions of people there who moved from a muddy hovel barely eating into a city to work for what you think is pittance----to them its a fortune and for every person that quits, there are 500 more waiting in line to take his place. Not that the workers there arent underpaid---but its all relative to their standard of living beforehand---Plus, those workers over there have one heck of a work ethic.
I try to buy american as much as possible, but the reality is, most AM products these days are overpriced compared to foreign goods and with a neglgieable increase in quality. Most of the price difference is the company recouping the health benefits/pensions to its employees. SO its not like the increased price is representing a corresponding increase in quality. Thats the primary reason GM is having so many problems--its got so much build in fixed costs with union benefits, they can't price their vehciles competitivly and to do so means reducing other costs--i.e. making a sub-par quality product.
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So rather than judging a transaction by its voluntariness, you judge it by a self-imposed "fairness" standard. Who, pray tell, is the all knowing, all powerful adjudicator of what is "fair"---what great circle of my "betters" gets to decide what is fair? What elitist platonic guardians get to tell me when and how i can sell or buy something?
GO over to china and ask one of millions of people there who moved from a muddy hovel barely eating into a city to work for what you think is pittance----to them its a fortune and for every person that quits, there are 500 more waiting in line to take his place. Not that the workers there arent underpaid---but its all relative to their standard of living beforehand---Plus, those workers over there have one heck of a work ethic.
I try to buy american as much as possible, but the reality is, most AM products these days are overpriced compared to foreign goods and with a neglgieable increase in quality. Most of the price difference is the company recouping the health benefits/pensions to its employees. SO its not like the increased price is representing a corresponding increase in quality. Thats the primary reason GM is having so many problems--its got so much build in fixed costs with union benefits, they can't price their vehciles competitivly and to do so means reducing other costs--i.e. making a sub-par quality product.
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So rather than judging a transaction by its voluntariness, you judge it by a self-imposed "fairness" standard. Who, pray tell, is the all knowing, all powerful adjudicator of what is "fair"---what great circle of my "betters" gets to decide what is fair? What elitist platonic guardians get to tell me when and how i can sell or buy something?
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Originally Posted by skanking biker
Yes, yes, play the slavery card---it works so well
GO over to china and ask one of millions of people there who moved from a muddy hovel barely eating into a city to work for what you think is pittance----to them its a fortune and for every person that quits, there are 500 more waiting in line to take his place. Not that the workers there arent underpaid---but its all relative to their standard of living beforehand---Plus, those workers over there have one heck of a work ethic.
I try to buy american as much as possible, but the reality is, most AM products these days are overpriced compared to foreign goods and with a neglgieable increase in quality. Most of the price difference is the company recouping the health benefits/pensions to its employees. SO its not like the increased price is representing a corresponding increase in quality. Thats the primary reason GM is having so many problems--its got so much build in fixed costs with union benefits, they can't price their vehciles competitivly and to do so means reducing other costs--i.e. making a sub-par quality product.
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So rather than judging a transaction by its voluntariness, you judge it by a self-imposed "fairness" standard. Who, pray tell, is the all knowing, all powerful adjudicator of what is "fair"---what great circle of my "betters" gets to decide what is fair? What elitist platonic guardians get to tell me when and how i can sell or buy something?
GO over to china and ask one of millions of people there who moved from a muddy hovel barely eating into a city to work for what you think is pittance----to them its a fortune and for every person that quits, there are 500 more waiting in line to take his place. Not that the workers there arent underpaid---but its all relative to their standard of living beforehand---Plus, those workers over there have one heck of a work ethic.
I try to buy american as much as possible, but the reality is, most AM products these days are overpriced compared to foreign goods and with a neglgieable increase in quality. Most of the price difference is the company recouping the health benefits/pensions to its employees. SO its not like the increased price is representing a corresponding increase in quality. Thats the primary reason GM is having so many problems--its got so much build in fixed costs with union benefits, they can't price their vehciles competitivly and to do so means reducing other costs--i.e. making a sub-par quality product.
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So rather than judging a transaction by its voluntariness, you judge it by a self-imposed "fairness" standard. Who, pray tell, is the all knowing, all powerful adjudicator of what is "fair"---what great circle of my "betters" gets to decide what is fair? What elitist platonic guardians get to tell me when and how i can sell or buy something?
I try to buy cotton from plantations with monetarily-compensated employees whenever possible, but the truth is, most "free state" (another biased media term) cotton is overpriced and the increase in quality is negligible. Most of the price difference is in the plantation owner compensating the employees for their labor with money, so it's not like the increased price is representing a corresponding increase in quality. That's the primary reason "free" plantations have so many problems--they have so many built-in fixed costs with monetary benefits (i.e., paying wages to their employees), they can't price their cotton competitively and to do so means reducing other costs--i.e. making a sub-par quality product.
So rather than judging a transaction by its voluntariness, you judge it by a self-imposed "fairness" standard. Who, pray tell, is the all knowing, all powerful adjudicator of what is "fair"---what great circle of my "betters" gets to decide what is fair? What elitist platonic guardians--the so-called "abolitionists," perhaps?--get to tell me when and how i can sell or buy something?