NoBumDeals

Hey guys,

This isn't my first forum, nor is it my last. I have done an extensive search and found two threads on this subject, they just don't seem to answer the question(s) I have. Hopefully you gurus can help a newbie out! I ride an '07 Pista (55), and I purchased a set of MKS Sylvan "Track" pedals, Soma toe clips (size L), and straps. I understand that certain people have this same tire/clip contact problem, especially those with larger feet like myself (size 13). However, unlike some, I am not able to point my foot down when turning to avoid this problem, the tire makes contact regardless.





From the pictures you can (hopefully) see how small of an angle at which the tire makes contact with the clip. I can't even ride around the court at the end of my street no matter how wide I take it. I simply can't turn PERIOD without rubbing severely. This has caused me to almost fall several times. I would like to stick with a clip/strap setup vs clipless, so if there is anything I can do to resolve this, please tell me!

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

- Chris

ollyisk

it's called toe overlap, there's really nothing that can stop this from happening, and judging from the photos the overlap isn't horrible. if it's really bothering you, you could try to buy shorter cranks, but the usual answer is: you'll get used to it over time.

Hirohsima

I am not sure that clipless would help either due to your shoe size and the apparent lack of clearance. The only suggestion I have is to change your fork which has a 28mm rake to a more slack 43mm rake which is more common for road frames than for track frames.
https://www.reynoldscomposites.com/pr...s_ouzopro.html

You may be able to find a 1" fork that has a shallower rake (like 40mm or even 38) but Reynolds makes quality stuff, and has 1" compatible. Performance's Forte fork also comes in a 43mm rake w/ a 1" steerer.

All fork options will affect your steering quickness (or lack there of. Increasing the rake, I believe, slows the steering).

Good luck.

NoBumDeals

I appreciate the help guys! As you can tell I'm still learning, and actually from your responses learned a new term: "toe overlap". I just did a search using those keywords and of course pages of threads were the result, with tons of information! Once again, thanks!

FazeOne

just turn really harder when your foot is towards the back of the rotation then start going straight when your foot is towards the front.
I dont know how hard that sounds but it works for me.

MLPROJECT

toeverlap's a *****

roughrider504

You'll figure out your own way around it soon enough. My way is to just point my foot down.

ggallin

yeah, i get this problem. and i wear a size 16.

ryanlovesyou

I ride an 07 Pista too, you won't even notice it after awhile. Way to go with the gang green, thats what I rock too.

mathletics

+1 getting used to it.

My rain bike is a thrift store rescue with awkward geometry. I have about an inch of overlap with the tire, but I still use fenders on it, reducing my clearance by another inch. I've fallen exactly twice because of this setup. I don't really think about it anymore until I see one of these threads with someone whining about their toe clearance. At any speed faster than a crawl, your wheel won't actually turn that much, so you should have no problem.

dlandis

how long is the crank arm?

baxtefer

you'll get used to it.
or get smaller clips.
or learn to point your toes down when making low speed turns.

toverlap isn't an issue at speed. you never turn your bars that far when going over 8 mph.

Aeroplane

Imagine how bad it is with fenders.

Az B

Move your toe clips to the inside of the pedal. Get a larger frame. Shorter cranks, smaller shoes, different fork.

Or get used to it.

Just out of curiousity, what size shoe do you wear and what size is your frame?

Az

Kol.klink

That overlap dosn't seem that bad, my guess is at speed you wont notice it as much, if at all, learn to point you shoes down(you might have to get out of the saddle a bit) in slow tight turns. but of you really can't get used to it a fork with more rake might help the situation, it can be done on the cheap.
https://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...20Road%20Forks

Nims

Both of these questions are answered... right in the first post. How do you respond without even reading the first post?

deathhare

That overlap aint bad.
You should see my wife's bike. The pedal itself is 1.5" from the tire. Nevermind the foot.
Its a tight ride.

hiredgoons

You'll get used to it pretty quickly. Whatever you do, don't buy shorter toe clips to alleviate some of the overlap. It's absolutely not worth losing the ability to properly position your foot over the pedal, especially without brakes.

deathhare

Shorter cranks? Smaller tires? Foot binding?
A few things to give you a little more room but not more than say 10mm max

Kol.klink

+1 I don't learn that one the hard way

hiredgoons

I did too

Unless I'm mistaken as to how foot binding works, I don't think it would do anything to an adult

NoBumDeals

I appreciate the response--which leads me into another quick question--what is proper foot position on the pedals? I always thought that the ball of one's foot should be directly in contact with the pedal.

hiredgoons

The ball of your foot should be over the spindle in the middle of the pedal.

Az B

It's pretty easy really. All you need is a lack of short term mem...

Wait, what were we talking about? Who are you, and what do you want?

Ok, I reread the post. He has big feet and is likely a big person. The frame is not very big and not really made for an extra large person. A correctly sized frame will have less overlap.

Az

hiredgoons

Assuming he still has the stock cranks on, the amount of overlap should be only very marginally affected by his height, insofar as larger clips will have slightly more overlap. Overlap is mainly a function of frame geometry.