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Old 09-11-07, 03:18 PM   #1
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NEW HKK Chain VERTEX ORO NJS Keirin Track Gold 1/8"

are these chains worth $30. + $10. for shipping?
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Old 09-11-07, 03:28 PM   #2
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If you're riding Keirin in Japan.......
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Old 09-11-07, 03:40 PM   #3
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Only you know if it's truly worth it to you. Value is very subjective.

Personally, I wouldn't buy it.
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Old 09-11-07, 03:55 PM   #4
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i mean could this be the very same chain Ben's sells for $69.?
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Old 09-11-07, 04:23 PM   #5
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are these chains worth $30. + $10. for shipping?
Do you know the difference between a $10, $20, and $50 chain?

If so, then go to page 22. If not, then go to page 147.











Page 22: "Yes the chain is worth it because you understand and appreciate the subtle differences and those minute differences justify spending 4 times the standard cost."







Page 147: "No because chances are you might not feel the difference anyway."
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Roadies can run tempo all year as that's what humans were designed for. If you want to be a cheetah, lay around and lick your paws more.
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Old 09-11-07, 04:34 PM   #6
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I had one at one point.
Its a beefy built chain and clearly stronger, better than the KMC crap.
Id say, yes, worth the money.
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Old 09-11-07, 05:12 PM   #7
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What about noise, what are the quietest chains?
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Old 09-11-07, 05:18 PM   #8
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KMC 710SL (also known as KOOL SL). Very quiet and tolerant of chainline, light for a 1/8 chain, more readily available.
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Old 09-11-07, 06:44 PM   #9
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i saw this on ebay but its not packaged and the pic is not all that clear . weird : /
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Old 09-11-07, 07:35 PM   #10
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I have a KMC 710SL and an HKK Vertex on different bikes and they are both super quiet. Both have EAI cogs and Sugino rings and are properly tensioned and lubed. I haven't noticed a difference between the two set-ups and the chains are the only thing not the same.
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Old 09-11-07, 07:44 PM   #11
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if you chain is lubed nicely and your drivetrain is straight (or straight enough) and in good condition it should be quiet regardless of chain brand.
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...though some cogs are louder than others.

some cogs mothers are....nevermind.
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Old 09-11-07, 11:10 PM   #13
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my wipperman 1g8 is mad loud....
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Old 09-11-07, 11:13 PM   #14
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^^ ...are bigger than other cogs mothers?
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Considering that a 10-speed DA chain is $60 and a Wipperman is $100, what's the big deal with a $30 chain for fixed?
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Considering that a 10-speed DA chain is $60 and a Wipperman is $100, what's the big deal with a $30 chain for fixed?
A)Because returns for single speed chains diminish after $20.

B) You do know that a 10-speed chain does other stuff than a single speed chain, right?
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KMC 710SL (also known as KOOL SL). Very quiet and tolerant of chainline, light for a 1/8 chain, more readily available.
I just realized that since switching to a Kool chain over a month ago that I haven't heard my drive at all.
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my wipperman 1g8 is mad loud....
Seriously, every Wipperman chain I've used has been ear-splitting. Great chains though!
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I just switched from a KMC 510HX to a regular 710 and its WAY louder.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. (onomateopoeia )
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I just switched from a KMC 510HX to a regular 710 and its WAY louder.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. (onomateopoeia )
1/8 or 3/32?

The 1/8" K710 is the my chain of choice for about 2 years now.

(Yes, there is another chain on my bike in my sig photos, but it's been replaced with a K710.)
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1/8", on a FSA track ring and Surly cog. I had been running 510HXs on all my bikes for the past couple of years too. I don't really mind the noise, but I can't help but feel like its probably adding a bit of drag.

Perhaps it will quiet down after a couple more hundred kilometers.
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A)Because returns for single speed chains diminish after $20.

B) You do know that a 10-speed chain does other stuff than a single speed chain, right?
A) That's a completely arbitrary statement - marginal returns on anything above Formula hubs can be described in the same way but people continue to buy $250 Phils. What is the price of buying "exclusivity?"

B) It's not a far-fetched analogy to compare 10-speed chains to SS chains. The point is, there is a precedent for $100 chains (which are in fact very popular) so why is a $30 SS so ridiculous? $20 vs $30 is highly immaterial - in fact, I've seen markups bigger than that price differential between online and LBS.
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Who cares if you're loud? Tells people you're coming through POW POW POW
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