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Old 09-12-07, 08:43 AM   #1
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White Eno Hub: Horizontal Drop Outs?

I was wondering if anyone here has used one of these hubs and what their thoughts are regarding the hub's performance. I was also wondering if the hub can be used on a frame w/ horizontal drop outs as well?

I know it is primarily for frames with vertical drop outs w/ chain tension issues but if I want to run it on a frame with horizontal drop outs, provided the spacing is ok, are there any issues I need to be arware of? I have not seen one in person and I am not up to speed on them.
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cue the ******* who think horizontal drop outs arent drop outs.
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If you have horizontal droupouts, don't get the eccentric hub. Trust me - while they are perfect for vertical-dropout frames, they're a total pain in the ass as well as pointless for horizontal dropouts. I love mine, but I wouldn't use it on a frame that didn't have vertical dropouts. If you're going to run singlespeed, one of the non-eccentric ENO hubs would be great, but if you're going to run fixed gear, look elsewhere for a good hub as they do not offer a non-eccentric hub that is setup for a fixed cog (ie has lockring threading). White Industries makes some of the best hubs out there, but even the best product is a poor choice if used for the wrong purpose.
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cue the ******* who think horizontal drop outs arent drop outs.
are you confusing horizontal dropouts with track ends? horizontal dropouts are dropouts, i don't think anyone ever questions that.
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The end caps on the ENO eccentric hub can be replaced with non-eccentric ones if you are using it on a frame with horizontal dropouts or track ends. You can also buy their hub already configured this way.

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I'm pretty sure there's a non-eccentric Eno Hub.
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The end caps on the ENO eccentric hub can be replaced with non-eccentric ones if you are using it on a frame with horizontal dropouts or track ends. You can also buy their hub already configured this way.

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Hmm...are these parts available? I wrote to them about a year ago about converting my eccentric hub to a standard non-eccentric and they told me it couldn't be done.....but that was a year ago.
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I'm pretty sure there's a non-eccentric Eno Hub.
Yeah but if I have a wheel built and spend the $$ it would be nice to have a wheel that I could use with most any frame or atl east, that was my thought process....
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I no a guy rite now who's riding on the Eno eccentric hub on a fixed wheel and brake less so far no problems
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horizontal dropouts are dropouts, i don't think anyone ever questions that.
Oh, they do...A LOT
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Hmm...are these parts available? I wrote to them about a year ago about converting my eccentric hub to a standard non-eccentric and they told me it couldn't be done.....but that was a year ago.
You need to get a new axle along with the end caps but it can be done, a friend of mine is riding one.
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I was wondering if anyone here has used one of these hubs and what their thoughts are regarding the hub's performance. I was also wondering if the hub can be used on a frame w/ horizontal drop outs as well?

I know it is primarily for frames with vertical drop outs w/ chain tension issues but if I want to run it on a frame with horizontal drop outs, provided the spacing is ok, are there any issues I need to be arware of? I have not seen one in person and I am not up to speed on them.
I have owned an eccentric and still own a std ENO.
the chainline on the ENO series is 47.5 mm; ie: middle chainring position on a MTB crank.
you can put a spacer inboard of your FW, but WI says that this will void the warranty.
WI told me I had to adjust the chainline @ the cranks (I think this is a solution, but a myopic effort to solve a legitimate issue with their product, but that is my personal opinion).
the chainline location has been an issue for me due to tire size in the chainstays and chainring size, again, that is a separate issue.
(edit: 135mm spacing)


the bearings are nice beefy cartridge style, but you cannot adjust them.
the mounting screw hardware is nice 6mm hex, and the quality of the product is NICE for the price (relatively speaking anyway).

I personally would purchase the eccentric again, as it IS a great solution for vertical drops.
I would not use it in a horizontal config personally, for fear of slippage.

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The hub is quality.
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You need to get a new axle along with the end caps but it can be done, a friend of mine is riding one.

any idea on the cost??
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any idea on the cost??
No idea.
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You need to get a new axle along with the end caps but it can be done, a friend of mine is riding one.
Thanks! I'm going to look into it again.
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Why would adjusting it be any different in the back of a horizontal dropout compared to a vertical one?
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Why would adjusting it be any different in the back of a horizontal dropout compared to a vertical one?
The eccentric hub works in vertical dropouts because it has a forward surface against which the bolts can bear pressure when tensioning the chain. With horizontal dropouts, not only is there no need for an eccentric hub, an eccentric hub becomes a total pain in the ass, as the mechanical principles on which it is based don't get along with non-vertical dropouts. Believe me, I ran my eccentric-based wheel on an old Fuji road frame with horizontal dropouts briefly after I got hit when I lived in Chicago.
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