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Old 10-06-07, 04:49 AM   #1
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Ques about deep v's

how does Deep v hold up built with straight gage spokes , do they go outta true easily/often?
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Old 10-06-07, 05:25 AM   #2
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from my understanding of wheel building... even the best / most expensive rim out there will go out of true very easily if not built properly
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Old 10-06-07, 07:40 AM   #3
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the deep v is a brick, and i mean that in a good way. the deep v design and lack of total concern for weight have made for a very strong rim. i've had mine for several years and haven't had to true them once. even when i BUILT them i really didn't have to true them, i just got the proper dish and tension and they were already set (this is with straight guage spokes)

you won't have any problem.
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deep v's are great. they will hold up to your tricks and other kiddie stuff. unfortunately they are not too hot for real cycling.
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unfortunately they are not too hot for real cycling.
*Sigh*... and this means what?
I've had a set of deep vs for 3 years now; I might have had to true them once since initially building them, but otherwise they've been great and have held up to road use significantly better than my Open Pros. Yeah, they're not the lightest, and attempting to place the nipples for the initial build is moderately annoying, but other than that they're nice rims.
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deep v's are great. they will hold up to your tricks and other kiddie stuff. unfortunately they are not too hot for real cycling.
So are track riding, touring and commuting not "real cycling"?
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how does Deep v hold up built with straight gage spokes , do they go outta true easily/often?
Why on earth would you spec it with straight guage spokes on a new build? Double butted is lighter and stronger. Deep v's are strong rims.
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Why on earth would you spec it with straight guage spokes on a new build? Double butted is lighter and stronger. Deep v's are strong rims.
thats the point im trying to make about getting that wheelset with staight gage spokes or DB, i really want DB spokes, but most that i see on ebay have straight 14 Ga. spokes. should i just hold out and wait to find them w/ DB, or just buy now with built with straight 14 ga.?
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You won't see prebuilts with butted spokes, unfortunately. Just get the straight-gauge.

If you are building your own I would definitely use butted spokes.
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go to a lbs and support them and get them to build you a set... it'll cost you the same amount...or buy your rims from ebay and get your lbs to build them up to forumula hubs and save like 50$
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There's nothing wrong with staright guage spokes. They're a little heavier and stiffer than DB. I've been riding my rear deep-V daily for over two years with straight guage spokes (36 hole). True it every 6 months. never had a problem.
It is heavy as **** though. Wouldn't want one on both wheels.
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deep v's are great. they will hold up to your tricks and other kiddie stuff. unfortunately they are not too hot for real cycling.
spoken like a true elitist, congrats
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Why on earth would you spec it with straight guage spokes on a new build? Double butted is lighter and stronger. Deep v's are strong rims.
FWIW, I'm about to attempt my 1st wheel build and I am using straight gauge just because its supposed to be less susceptible to twisting.
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Twisting? You mean like spoke windup? That's usually not too much of a problem if you just use some boiled linseed oil or some other kind of thread prep. Also I'm in the double butted spoke camp...if you can afford them. They're more flexible in the middle and thus take the strain off the major stress points of your spoke (the elbow mostly), thus they actually build a "stronger" wheel because they can flex instead of break. I have heard good things about Deep V's pertaining to durability, and overall ride but they are heavy. So I say go for it, and just enjoy yourself as much as possible.
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where do you guys buy spokes/hubs/rims etc for buildups? I want to try it out but it seems significantly more expensive than just buying a pre-built wheel.
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where do you guys buy spokes/hubs/rims etc for buildups? I want to try it out but it seems significantly more expensive than just buying a pre-built wheel.
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And putting together your own bike usually costs more than buying one pre-built, but it's nowhere near as much fun and you'll never learn that way.
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Twisting? You mean like spoke windup? That's usually not too much of a problem if you just use some boiled linseed oil or some other kind of thread prep. Also I'm in the double butted spoke camp...if you can afford them. They're more flexible in the middle and thus take the strain off the major stress points of your spoke (the elbow mostly), thus they actually build a "stronger" wheel because they can flex instead of break. I have heard good things about Deep V's pertaining to durability, and overall ride but they are heavy. So I say go for it, and just enjoy yourself as much as possible.
Thanks... but why use linseed oil instead of bearing grease?

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because linseed oil goes on like a grease and will lubricate the threads...and then in like a day or so it congeals and acts like a thread lock so your spokes will be less likely to back out.

Oh and to the earlier question, a well built hand built wheel will always be better the a machine made. You would think that they could get all the tensions perfect but if you want super quality, get it laced by somebody who knows what they're doing.
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nice tip about linseed oil. It's like the slow drying distant cousin of bee's wax. Thanks.
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i've had mine for several years and haven't had to true them once
Um, I think it's time you take your wheels off and give them a true.
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thats the point im trying to make about getting that wheelset with staight gage spokes or DB, i really want DB spokes, but most that i see on ebay have straight 14 Ga. spokes. should i just hold out and wait to find them w/ DB, or just buy now with built with straight 14 ga.?
Ebay for spokes? Wtf? Just go to your damn LBS. Building your own wheel on anything less than double butted spokes is a serious waste of money and time.
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deep v's are great. they will hold up to your tricks and other kiddie stuff. unfortunately they are not too hot for real cycling.
Haha - is there a gram cutoff point where cycling becomes unreal? Sounds awesome, how heavy do I need to go?
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nice tip about linseed oil. It's like the slow drying distant cousin of bee's wax. Thanks.
I've used Phil Wood Tenacious oil - same kind of thing, really, but you don't need to boil anything and it's easy to put a couple of drops on the threads.
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