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    Keirin racer dies

    Has this been posted?

    On the 31st, A-class racer Shinichi Wakita was training on the road and was run over by a truck in Hyogo ken. Due to the fact that he was passing thru a tunnel they didnt seem to have seen him.
    Bad part is that ANOTHER truck ran over him after that.
    He apparently died soon.. Sounds really terrible and gruesome.
    Watch those tunnels?
    : pray:

    The article: http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools
    Translates poorly.
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    they must train fixed on the roads, no?
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    br995 not sure if I understand your question, but Keirin pro riders do ride keirin bikes on the road for training. Clamp on rear brake, and tubulars usually from what I have seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parkerlewis View Post
    Clamp on rear brake
    interesting, why not the front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadgator View Post
    interesting, why not the front?
    Because on moderate terrain a rear brake helps one modulate speed better than a front brake.
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    i wouldn't consider riding in traffic with trucks moderate terrain, regardless of how flat, and isn't that what backpedaling is for?

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    I thought it had more to do the ease of attaching a temporary brake in the rear than on the fork.

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    Yeah i doubt theyd drill the fork. Plus, theyre not riding in the city.

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    big trucks are pretty scary
    not a 2ksuck'r

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    ****. Really terrible way to die: young. And run over by two trucks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadgator View Post
    i wouldn't consider riding in traffic with trucks moderate terrain, regardless of how flat, and isn't that what backpedaling is for?
    Track racers do as little backpedaling as possible. It's very discouraged, hence brake(s) for road training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
    Track racers do as little backpedaling as possible. It's very discouraged, hence brake(s) for road training.
    Tell us more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadgator View Post
    i wouldn't consider riding in traffic with trucks moderate terrain, regardless of how flat, and isn't that what backpedaling is for?
    Terrain. Terra. Earth. It has nothing to do with what kind of traffic you're riding in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadgator View Post
    i wouldn't consider riding in traffic with trucks moderate terrain, regardless of how flat, and isn't that what backpedaling is for?
    Moderate refers to the grade range, and is standard English usage. Back pedaling is one way to modulate speed, but not always the best way. It is also a very poor way to modulate speed if riding in a paceline. I was answering a question as to why a rear brake is used as opposed to a front brake. While not drilling the fork, and thus making the fork unusable on the track is one reason, another is modulation of speed. The reason many fixed gear riders use a front brake is threefold. First, a front brake has more stopping power. Second, a front brake is easy to dial in right as you don't have to align it with you gear ratio and chain length. And third, most fixed gear bike come set up for a front brake and the riders don't question why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops View Post
    Tell us more.
    Backpedaling is bad for technique and legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
    Backpedaling is bad for technique and legs.
    Exactly.
    Less than ideal for the knees of somebody who makes money from their legs.
    Builds bad physical form, and training is all about building good form.
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    But what about the post-keirin skid comps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathhare View Post
    ray:
    At first I thought maybe I should be offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
    Backpedaling is bad for technique and legs.
    and if you backpedal in a paceline on the track, you **** a lot of **** up.

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    yes backpedaling is apparently bad for muscle training.

    The reason they use back brakes is because they cost 3500 yen for a full kit, and it does the trick. Front kits only came out in affordable (not custom) form quite recently, courtesy of Dia Compe. Rear kit has been out for a long time. ベンリ

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    The front has been around for a long time. Those DiaCompe front dealios are a re-issue from something they had long ago and discontinued.

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    My father & brother-in-laws are both retired Keirin racers as well as a bunch of my other in-laws. Did a lot of road and track training with them back in the '80s. Most of the guys had separate road-training track bikes set up the same as their racer but with slightly lower gearing and front/ rear clamp-on brakes (front brakes were mounted via a brace that was secured via bands clamped to the fork blades; rear was just a std. brake secured via a couple alloy plates.

    We rode lots of mountain roads and had a few close calls with large trucks; came across one that had taken a very sharp corner so fast that it had rolled over into the rice paddy, and that road was wide enough for the truck and barely a bike!

    The Japns. road engineers love to make tunnels; it's apparently a lot easier and quicker for both drivers and engineers than going up and around mountains. I've cycled thru lots of their tunnels and they're certainly scary; not lit very well and the sound of an approaching moped much less a large truck can scare the crap out of you by the sound amplification/ echo effect.

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    I've cycled thru lots of their tunnels and they're certainly scary; not lit very well and the sound of an approaching moped much less a large truck can scare the crap out of you by the sound amplification/ echo effect.
    not to mention they're sometimes surprisingly long and full of carbon monoxide... i took one one when i first got here and haven't since... i was betting 50/50 on my survival, as i was sprinting my ass off to reach the end and avoid getting clobbered & got super lightheaded from sucking in nothing but exhaust for 2-3 mins.
    Quote Originally Posted by hotbike View Post
    I did hit a few cars with this bike, but the fairing never broke. It's stronger than a helmet.(They made incursions into the bike lane. I could've used my brakes, but hey, what are bumpers for?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre nickatina View Post
    Backpedaling is bad for technique and legs.
    Quote Originally Posted by doofo View Post
    the main cause of fit problems is riding your bike

    you should have just stopped riding so you could focus on color coordination

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
    Doubt the poster was being sarcastic, as his/her answer was correct.
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