Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-06-07, 09:57 AM   #1
SoreFeet
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 2,058
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
A call to value conscious hipsters

Please go over to the road forum and chime in on the bikesdirect thread. They are proposing to offer some new product lines. It seems that they might be able to sell Reynolds 853 road frames for 400$. If they can do a road frame for 400$ why not convince them to offer a track frame of that tubing?
SoreFeet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 10:37 AM   #2
Ten5
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: portlandistan
Bikes:
Posts: 37
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
full lugged +1

link
Ten5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 10:48 AM   #3
crushkilldstroy
Hello.
 
crushkilldstroy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: West Seattle
Bikes:
Posts: 2,902
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bikesdirect
8 - Ti cyclo cross bike with Ultegra or and lots of Ritchey Pro stuff -- $1500 (no disc brakes - so its legal)
Why hello there Mr. Bikesdirect. May I buy you a drink?
crushkilldstroy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:04 AM   #4
kemmer
*****es love tarck
 
kemmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Sandy, UT
Bikes: so many
Posts: 3,302
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I chimed in with 3 requests only to visit thier site and find they already sell two of them. That Motobecane SS 29er looks pretty slick.
__________________
kemmer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:15 AM   #5
jet sanchEz
Senior Member
 
jet sanchEz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Bikes:
Posts: 8,153
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 75 Post(s)
It has already been decided. The carbon-fibre frames are made by Kestrel, which was recently bought by Fuji. Sounds like a good deal but wow, an 853 track frame would rule.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bikesdirect.com
Items I can do:

Famous Brand CF frameset in RED for $648 {list 1899** or this frame built up with really nice parts; WCS cockpit & wheels; Ultegra shifters/der, FSA SLK carbon compact crank for $1748. [probably ships Feb 08]

Famous Brand CF frameset in ORANGE for $848 {list $2199** or this frame built up with really nice parts; WCS cockpit & wheels; Ultegra shifters/der, FSA SLK carbon compact crank for $1948. [probably ships Feb 08]

Motobecane FLY TEAM Ti for $1998 [this is the most insane deal on a XTR level Ti bike ever] [probably ships April 08]

Motobecane le Champion Ti Road with Ultegra Shifter, Der, Ritchey Pro cockpit & DS wheels; cane creek brakes, and FSA engery compact for $1498 [probably ships April/May 08]

Motobecane le Champion SL Ti Road with Ultegra SL ICE group {shift,der,crank, brakes], Ritchey WCS cockpit & procotol wheels; for $1898 [probably ships April/May 08]

Motobecane le Champion SL Team Ti Road with DuraAce group {shift,der,crank, brakes], Ritchey WCS cockpit & procotol wheels; for $2298 [probably ships April/May 08]

Vuelta CF Moncoq Clincher wheels 38mm -- $568 [either campy or shimano - I will bring both] [probably ships April 08]

Vuelta CF Moncoq Tabular wheels 50mm -- $418 [either campy or shimano - I will bring both] [probably ships April 08]

that is 10 things to pick from
and I think it is a good selection
jet sanchEz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:16 AM   #6
bexley
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: the land of ice and snow
Bikes:
Posts: 999
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That title really needs a hyphen. I was preparing to value conscious hipsters.
bexley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:17 AM   #7
bonechilling
Run What 'Ya Brung
 
bonechilling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 5,694
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kemmer View Post
I chimed in with 3 requests only to visit thier site and find they already sell two of them. That Motobecane SS 29er looks pretty slick.
Yeah, their current product offering is pretty impressive. I was disappointed after buying a used 'cross bike, only to find that I could have got a basically equivalent or better frame from Bikes Direct for the same cost.
bonechilling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:20 AM   #8
crushkilldstroy
Hello.
 
crushkilldstroy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: West Seattle
Bikes:
Posts: 2,902
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Motobecane FLY TEAM Ti for $1998 [this is the most insane deal on a XTR level Ti bike ever] [probably ships April 08]

Good Jesus. I love bikesdirect.

I promise this is the last time I post about a non-track frame on this thread.
crushkilldstroy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:24 AM   #9
dirtyphotons
antisocialite
 
dirtyphotons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 3,385
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
i don't get the "no disc brakes so it's legal" comment on the ti cross bike.

i mean, you can still put the mounts on there. it adds a lot of functionality and costs a few bucks and a few grams extra. plus disc brakes are legal in most u.s. cross races.
dirtyphotons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:42 AM   #10
doofo
thomas masini lives
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: i aint dh no mo'
Bikes:
Posts: 3,496
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by crushkilldstroy View Post
Why hello there Mr. Bikesdirect. May I buy you a drink?
ill buy the second
doofo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:46 AM   #11
delicious 
dork
 
delicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: berkeley
Bikes:
Posts: 1,576
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
lugged track bike +1
delicious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:48 AM   #12
doofo
thomas masini lives
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: i aint dh no mo'
Bikes:
Posts: 3,496
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
boo

singlespeed bikes are already cheap

give me groups and frames for the price of groups or give me nothing
doofo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:50 AM   #13
bonechilling
Run What 'Ya Brung
 
bonechilling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 5,694
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.
bonechilling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:52 AM   #14
bonechilling
Run What 'Ya Brung
 
bonechilling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 5,694
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Also, this sounds like I should start saving:
Motobecane le Champion Ti Road with Ultegra Shifter, Der, Ritchey Pro cockpit & DS wheels; cane creek brakes, and FSA engery compact for $1498 [probably ships April/May 08]
bonechilling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:53 AM   #15
dirtyphotons
antisocialite
 
dirtyphotons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 3,385
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by doofo View Post
boo

singlespeed bikes are already cheap

give me groups and frames for the price of groups or give me nothing
you already get that. how bout groups for much less than the price of groups?
dirtyphotons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 11:56 AM   #16
doofo
thomas masini lives
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: i aint dh no mo'
Bikes:
Posts: 3,496
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
yeah then i wont have to deal with getting rid of a frame im embarrassed to ride

^ +1
doofo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 12:15 PM   #17
time bandit
¡Senor Member!
 
time bandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: South Philly
Bikes:
Posts: 1,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.

as an avg bikes direct track bike buyer, i disagree. i would love an 853 track frame from bd.
time bandit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 12:49 PM   #18
delicious 
dork
 
delicious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: berkeley
Bikes:
Posts: 1,576
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonechilling View Post
I said this in the other thread, but I'll repeat it here. I think that 853 would be great as a group buy option, but as a regular offering, it misses the point somewhat. The road frame is logical, because the market is substantially larger, but for the average Bikes Direct track bike buyer, super lightweight high-grade steel would be complete overkill. They really should introduce a lugged steel track frame, a la Alien Bikes, in the $2-$300 range, but just keep it basic 4130 CroMo.
agreed...basically a lugged Kilo TT would be perfect
delicious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 12:53 PM   #19
mascher
I like turtles
 
mascher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Philly
Bikes: Pink Nightmare (RIP), Kona Smoke fixed conversion, Surly Steamroller, Schwinn hardtail, Raleigh singlespeed mtb conversion (soon to be RIP), Green Road Biest
Posts: 894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
For the record, in that thread lugs have been discussed and he's said he'd be amenable to a high quality (853 or 631) lugged frame, but it would add 200 to the price of a complete bike; I'd imagine that would go for a track frame too.

Hope springs eternal though. I'm crossing my fingers for the ti road bike myself.
mascher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 02:36 PM   #20
bikesdirect_com
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 1,605
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
OK
From what I can tell; I maybe getting a free drink
AND lots of people want higher grade track frame
some want lugged

Can I ask
is it OK to go with function over fashion?
tig welded is just as functional as lugs [many say better] but lugs look great
Price of lugs is a lot

let'sd put it this way
853 tigged is cheaper than lugged 520
so - given that

what would be the choice
top of the line 853 tig
nice 520 with lugs
or something else?

[btw - 853 with lugs costs more than carbon fiber - and almost as much as Ti]

seems I should really do the higher grade track
now the question is which frame

btw #2 - light stiff aluminum is less than 520 even - not expensive at all

here I am open to ideas
and drinks [LOL**
bikesdirect_com is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 02:41 PM   #21
time bandit
¡Senor Member!
 
time bandit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: South Philly
Bikes:
Posts: 1,710
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
853 plz.
time bandit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 02:48 PM   #22
dirtyphotons
antisocialite
 
dirtyphotons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 3,385
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
Can I ask
is it OK to go with function over fashion?


welcome to bfssfg
dirtyphotons is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 02:51 PM   #23
bonechilling
Run What 'Ya Brung
 
bonechilling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Bikes:
Posts: 5,694
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Aluminum is definitely the cheapest, lightest and most pragmatic, but since I think very few people intend to races these bikes anywhere other than the local alleycat, I don't think it'd be as popular.

I still think that lugged CroMo would win out over 853, for the type of buyer you're seeing (unless we're talking about a group buy). I'd really love to be wrong about this.

What kind of price are we talking, anyway?

Last edited by bonechilling; 11-06-07 at 02:58 PM.
bonechilling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 03:10 PM   #24
dobber
Perineal Pressurized
 
dobber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: In Ebritated
Bikes:
Posts: 6,557
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com View Post
is it OK to go with function over fashion?
I highly recommend you read Bike Snob NYC blog.
__________________
This is Africa, 1943. War spits out its violence overhead and the sandy graveyard swallows it up. Her name is King Nine, B-25, medium bomber, Twelfth Air Force. On a hot, still morning she took off from Tunisia to bomb the southern tip of Italy. An errant piece of flak tore a hole in a wing tank and, like a wounded bird, this is where she landed, not to return on this day, or any other day.
dobber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-07, 04:16 PM   #25
antiguru
Booya
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Francisco, CA
Bikes: Pinarello Prince, Ritte Bosberg
Posts: 125
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
+1 for 853 tigged
antiguru is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:43 AM.