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Old 11-21-07, 10:16 AM   #1
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Toshi straps don't work?

I have a pair of Toshi double toe straps, and I can tighten them down until they hurt my feet but I can still pull my foot right out of them with minimal effort. If they are not pulled down until they hurt my feet my feet will come out of them at the bottom of the pedal stroke while I am doing that "scrape the doodie off the shoe" portion of the stroke. I have swithched from the regular MKS toe clip (with one eyelet) to the soma double strap/double gate (with 4 eyelets) and that didn't change anything either. Anyone else ever have this problem? What gives?
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Old 11-21-07, 10:31 AM   #2
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i think the straps are probably defective, i'll give you $20 for 'em.
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Old 11-21-07, 10:33 AM   #3
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You can crank down on them until you're blue in the face, but what a strap system depends on for keeping your foot from going out the back is an old style slotted cleat, which I'm guessing whatever shoes you're running don't have. Using these setups with street shoes is always a little kludgy; people seem to expect that just because stuff is expensive it will work well, but this simply isn't what it's designed for. Some shoes have softer soles and enough tread that it's not an issue, but without a cleat you're always going to be able to pull out the back if you really try. The solution, and the reason so many people do get away with running them with sneakers, is just to pedal a rounder stroke so your foot stays with the pedal.
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are the straps actually slipping or do you just need bigger toe clips?
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Old 11-21-07, 10:53 AM   #5
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As langolier said, you need slotted cleats
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I don't think I need bigger toe clips. The ALE single straps I had before these were super secure, there was no pulling out of those. I think it has something to do with the large buckle area.
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maybe if you didn't wear such gay shoes they would work.

ps you also changed your pedals when you changed your straps.

I like to run singles with my rx-1s better than doubles
but love doubles on my sylvans

time for clipless foo'
someone will buy you ugly red toshi straps
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Old 11-21-07, 11:03 AM   #8
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I never have had a problem with toshis
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Your mom wears gay shoes. Now get back to work.
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but I don't like my mom


change back and stop whinning.
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I don't want to change back, I want to find a way to like these.
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There is something fundamentally wrong with that statement.

Why not like what works instead of what you paid too much for?
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Old 11-21-07, 12:07 PM   #13
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Because I want to find a way to make what I paid too much for work. I paid for it, I should be able to use it. Makes sense to me.
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Clips won't affect how well the straps hold you in -- all they really do is position the toe strap so it's convenient to flip in and out (on the track many riders use toe straps without clips because they don't have to worry about convenient pedal entry at every stoplight).

As pointed out above, if you don't have cleats, don't expect straps to lock you in.

The only other thing is that you can set up straps in different ways, some of which leave a lot of elasticity in the straps. If you twist the strap inside the pedal cage, or have it run in and out the back of the rear cage plate, then it won't be as tight as when it just runs a straight line around your foot.
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I did just pull them out of the inner portion of the cage plate, nearest the crank. I'll see what that does, then I'll try the outer part as well. And again, I don't expect straps to lock me in but I do expect them to at least hold my foot in while I'm just spinning the cranks, not even trying to pull out of them.
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don't listen to what these guys are saying (except 11.4)...tho doesn't seem that you are anyways, good job

people have ridden straps with shoes just fine that functionally hold, despite slotted cleats being the best/technical/proper option

I've never had toshi's but that's weird that they are slipping. mayb adding twists will also change the latched area on the strap to a less worn portion and allow you to still run those. I have kashimax singles, have left them out in the rain numerous times, and they still hold my foot pretty darn well until I reach down and loosen them....and I mash (and PULL hard) up a long steep hill first thing every morning
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That seems to have done the trick. They aren't coming off while spinning or sprinting or serious pulling while climbing. That's all I wanted.
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that was quick...can work u mechanic fast on my bicycle?
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That seems to have done the trick. They aren't coming off while spinning or sprinting or serious pulling while climbing. That's all I wanted.
what was it that actually did the trick?
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^^he took off his gay shoes and BAM! they work
i told him and told him he shouldn't wear ballet slippers when riding but he insist on it
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