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Singlespeed & Fixed Gear "I still feel that variable gears are only for people over forty-five. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailer? We are getting soft...As for me, give me a fixed gear!"-- Henri Desgrange (31 January 1865 - 16 August 1940)

View Poll Results: What do you prefer?
Clipless (ATAC, SPD, Eggbeater, etc.) 46 49.46%
Double Strap (Toshi, MKS, Kashimax) 15 16.13%
Like both equally / can't feel a difference 6 6.45%
I've only tried one. 26 27.96%
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Old 11-22-07, 05:56 PM   #1
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For those who have tried both: clipless vs. double straps

I've been riding clipless for a couple weeks now and just went back to double straps for the first time today. Needless to say... I think I like clipless better though there's definite pros and cons to both. Just wondering how the rest of the forum feels and why.

A couple pros to clipless for me:
-Better power transfer especially between 6-9oclock of the spin compared to clips/straps
-Makes me feel more inclined to spin rather than mash
-Feel more secure brakeless, haven't had any unwanted pull-outs with ATACs
-Better in the rain, don't have to worry about stretching leather straps

Cons:
-Walking around in cycling cleats
-Can develop 'hot spots' in foot while riding (if cleat is overtightened on shoe)
-Foot moves around in shoe if I wear too-thin socks

Doublestrap pros:
-Sambas fit beautifully in them
-Better power transfer than single straps, more secure feeling once in
-Stiff strap for good efficiency
-Able to do hipster tricks on bike and not worry about staying clipped in

Cons:
-Power transfer doesn't feel as good as with clipless
-Shoe moves in pedal in 6-9oclock position

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Old 11-22-07, 06:01 PM   #2
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I have fewer toe overlap issues with clipless and rarely pull out of them.
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Old 11-22-07, 06:41 PM   #3
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i have gone back and forth several times. it depends on lifestyle. when i had a 9 to 5, clipless was the way to go since i kept a pair of shoes at my desk at work. mow that i am a student, i hop o and off my bike a lot and will sometimes walk with friends and straps seem to be the way to go.
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depending on my style of travel, commuting and general riding I prefer clips and straps, even though 30-50 miles is doable. When on long rides, clipless really shines (haha, like the rhyme?)
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tried both, prefer powergrips
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OT but can someone explain what a hot spot is to me? I have never had one of those things.

I am a clipless only guy, mainly just because my lifestyle up till now has made shoe changes convenient when commuting.
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Old 11-22-07, 07:51 PM   #7
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Tried both double straps and spd. No comparison, SPDs beat straps all the way. Better security, easier in and out.

For convenience, i.e. wearing regular shoes, straps are better.
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OT but can someone explain what a hot spot is to me? I have never had one of those things.

I am a clipless only guy, mainly just because my lifestyle up till now has made shoe changes convenient when commuting.
basically, a certain part of the sole of your foot beguns to hurt because there's more pressure on it vs. other areas.
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tried both, prefer powergrips
I have been really tempted to try powergrips as well. Currently SPDs and my cleats work for me (9-5 commuter) but if I move back into the city I may switch to powergrips. What kind of shoes do you typically wear with them?
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Cons:
-Walking around in cycling cleats
-Can develop 'hot spots' in foot while riding (if cleat is overtightened on shoe)
-Foot moves around in shoe if I wear too-thin socks
Hot spot not a problem with Look/SPD-SL
Foot moves around = you have wrong sized shoes.
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Old 11-22-07, 08:54 PM   #11
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Definitely prefer clipless, which means a ton because I use cheap ass throwaway pulloff Wellgos.
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Old 11-22-07, 09:29 PM   #12
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Hot spot not a problem with Look/SPD-SL
Foot moves around = you have wrong sized shoes.
only happens if i wear lycra socks, which is about the same as no socks at all. if i have cotton socks on, no problem. i'm starting to hate lycra socks anyway; wool is probably in the forseeable future.
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Hot spot not a problem with Look/SPD-SL
I had some hot-spot issues when i first started using spd-sl's so thats not necessarily true. The key is having the right size shoe and getting cleat position dialed in.

However, i would imagine hot spots would be more likely with the smaller platforms of other pedals.

You can get hot spots (or at least foot aches) pushing big gears for long periods on platform pedals too. no one style is immune.
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Pros of clipless: fewer torn ligaments and tendons from failing to unclip in a crash
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has that happened to you?

you can strap your feet in just as tight with straps if you so desired....
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Look and SPD pedals on my bikes. My wifes' bike has straps. When last rode her bike around town for errands, I thought those straps a pain. Constantly uprighting those straps and searching for their position, and struggling to insert my feet. They are so distracting, it's enough to cause you to crash into something.
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I have been really tempted to try powergrips as well. Currently SPDs and my cleats work for me (9-5 commuter) but if I move back into the city I may switch to powergrips. What kind of shoes do you typically wear with them?
ive used them mostly with a pair of trainers from vegetarian shoes and converses, so basically pretty flexible soled sneakers. Have them on regular inexpensive nashbar platform pedals. Powergrips hold your feet as secure as clipless (more secure than toeclips and straps and you dont need to deal with tightening). No hotspot issues even on 80+ mile days, you dont have to wear dorky cycling shoes, and theyre also easier to get your foot in them while moving than clips/straps are.
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has that happened to you?

you can strap your feet in just as tight with straps if you so desired....
My sister had a hideous ankle injury from regular clips and straps.

I can't figure out what your second sentence is trying to say... this isn't about being 'tight', it's about being able to release quickly and easily in an emergency so your ankle doesn't get injured. That's way easier with clipless.
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depends. i'm off and on the bike all the time so regular shoes are an overwhelming pro. a couple of the other messengers won't ride fixed w/o clipless, though, which i can understand.
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clipless is the way to ride if you DONT have to wear normal shoes.
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if you are on and off of your bike all day and have to wear normal shoes clips make sense

that sounds like a messenger with a dress code to me though
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To be honest, I've never used clips and straps for a extended period of time, so I can't say. And with clipless, well, you can dig into deeper arguments regarding the superiority of one system over another.

That said, I use SPDs, which I was, for lack of a better term, indoctrinated into when I started mountain biking years ago. I never even made the switch to a different, more comfort-oriented system when I started road cycling. In fact, the closest I ever arrived at switching systems was when I started riding fixed, and almost made the switch to Eggbeaters.

In the end, I never did: the SPD cleats were already on my shoes, and once you have a cleat on your shoe, well, you can forget about switching it out - the grooves make it difficult to get any other system feeling right. Not to mention the non-adjustable tension, or the "softness," yield - whatever you want to call it - of the cleats that I constantly heard of. I really just wanted 4-way entry, forward and reverse.

Never even considered clips and straps; then again, I think clipless is the best investment a cyclist can make.

As for shoes and socks issue - as sad as it is to admit to this - I keep a two pair of SIDIs a size apart, as well as a pair of Pearl Izumi Vagabonds that I use as "grocery shoppers." That said, I know of a few people who do the same - to accommodate different socks in variety of weather situations. And I never really find them too uncomfortable - I've gone whole workdays in cycling shoes on a number of occasions.

It's only kind of odd when your walking down the hall, and the guy in front of you glances back because of the click clack, and you kind of intrinsically know he only did it 'cause he thought it was a girl in heels. Or, maybe he though it was a girl in cycling shoes. Who knows.
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wtf lycra socks?
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My sister had a hideous ankle injury from regular clips and straps.

I can't figure out what your second sentence is trying to say... it's about being able to release quickly and easily in an emergency so your ankle doesn't get injured.
I was trying to say that straps can be just as (maybe more) constricting than clipless, but it sounds like we are on the same page now.
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I never really find them too uncomfortable - I've gone whole workdays in cycling shoes on a number of occasions.
QFT. I'm only just onto my second pair of clipless shoes. My first pair were 'walkable' soft soled ones and I was a bit worried about getting fully stiff soled MTB shoes. It turned out there was barely a thing to worry about as far as walking comfort goes, but the benefits of the extra power transfer... absolute, unadulterated wickedness.

And the 'clip clop' sound when walking around makes me feel like a sexy man.
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