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Old 12-12-07, 11:33 AM   #1
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i've been thinking about returning to clipless...

since i still have pedals and just need shoes/cleats, and it'd really help for going uphill, as i'll soon be doing more frequently. i have a brake, so i'll be running spd's (i've learned the hard way that spd sucks for brakeless). however, even with a brake, if i need to stop on a freakin' dime, or just want to stop a fun way, i'll still bust out a hockey stop.

i can't remember if i used hockey stops much when i rode clipless, so my own experience is useless here. but i remember a recent thread where a clipless rider said they couldn't hockey stop. sounds hokey to me.

i wondered what y'all think of this. if worse comes to worse, i can probably track down a bike and shoes with clipless to attempt it on. i figure it's got more to do with how you throw your body weight around than how you twist your feet, so unclipping shouldn't be an issue....right?
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Old 12-12-07, 11:47 AM   #2
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I run clipless on all my bikes, fixed gear, road bike, tour bike, mountain bike........so it's natural to stay clipless. But if you only ride a fixed gear then use whatever system works best for you.
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out of curiousity, are you gonna wait until the winter/snowy season is over before you go back to clipless? i'm debating putting clips 'n straps back on for the winter. slipping on ice is a lot more difficult clipless, although much more comedic when you slide down the street on your ass dragging your bike behind you.



also, i can hockeystop clipless juuuust fine. same with 180 skids. if you can, i'd upgrade from SPD's though.
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i can hockeystop fine clipless.

it's more about turning the torso than turning the feet.
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yeah, clips and straps are great for winter. part of my reason for wanting to go clipless...a very large part of my reason, is that i'm moving from a flat area to a hilly area and want just a little more help getting up hills. but for crappy conditions, especially where snow's involved, clips and straps. i could see clipless being harder to engage if snow or ice gets in there.
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Get yourself a set of the single-release SPD cleats (SH51) and you will have a lot harder time pulling out of them.
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Clipless pretty much rocks the house. Come back.
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brake > hockey stop
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where are you moving?

clipless + bullhorns are my favorite for hills. i had a set of mavic pursuit bars on my peloton for a little while, and whenever i would take it out on hills and bridges i felt like a gazelle!
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san francisco. i'm not sure i need clipless, but part of me is tempted, plus through perusing bmx catalogs i've found shoes i could wear.

not doing bullhorns, though, as mine got wrecked a while back and i switched to an ea50 mtb bar and i've gotten used to it. doesn't seem like the best for hills, but then, it doesn't seem like the best for riding into 30+ mph wind, either, and i've just learned that when it's windy, you just have to pedal harder. so it's sort of a good leg workout to have no aero advantage, i guess? i dunno....

and i dispute brake>hockeystop as true 100% of the time. then again, i dispute anything being true 100% of the time. but i do know brake+hockeystop>either alone.
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. but i do know brake+hockeystop>either alone.
then you are either too ****ing stupid or enamored with fixie skills to see the truth or have no ****ing clue how to use a brake.
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because ceasing motion on one wheel will stop you faster than ceasing motion with both wheels? not to mention hockey stops in particular throw all your forward momentum off to the side, so you lose it pretty fast.
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dutret, where did that come from?
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because ceasing motion on one wheel will stop you faster than ceasing motion with both wheels? not to mention hockey stops in particular throw all your forward momentum off to the side, so you lose it pretty fast.
No because applying force to both wheels while mataining traction and control over the bike is better then than stopping the motion of both. You can't "throw all your forward momentum to the side" you can only change the direction of your movement based on the friction between you and the ground.

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dutret, where did that come from
The complete ignorance or stupidity exhibited in the post it was responding too.
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Old 12-12-07, 06:58 PM   #15
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Awwwww, I missed good ol' dutret!

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wow, I always felt like there was a suspension of disbelief on this forum. Not for you sir, and I have to say its kinda nice.
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No because applying force to both wheels while mataining traction and control over the bike is better then than stopping the motion of both. You can't "throw all your forward momentum to the side" you can only change the direction of your movement based on the friction between you and the ground.


The complete ignorance or stupidity exhibited in the post it was responding too.
okay, so brake + backpedal and skid? how do you feel about that?

you may be right, i've ridden brakeless so long, and hockeystop is fastest when brakeless, that i might not have realized some ways the game's changed now that i have a brake. though i still think hockey stop is way fun....i don't know about you, but i like fun.

either way, i figure if i could ride brakeless competently, and now have a front brake, i should be able to stop twice as fast, generally speaking.
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however, even with a brake, if i need to stop on a freakin' dime, i'll still bust out a hockey stop.
i think you're delusional buddy.
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maybe so, maybe not. people are sometimes wrong. wouldn't be the first or last time i've been wrong. feels fast to me. i've never timed it or anything, though, or really worked through the physics, so maybe i shouldn't state that with such certainty. i should just say it feels faster to me.
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Soooo in support of humancongereel and against DUTRET.. as there are no brakes on my fix I went out and experimented on my road bike by sliding with my back brake vs simply pulling the front brake as hard as I could without going over the bars. Once at a decent speed the slide was better as the frame chatter created a sort of anti-lock brake action...scared the **** out of me though and I got afraid of breaking my low-spoke wheels. so thats my flawed experiment.
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Old 12-13-07, 02:14 AM   #21
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humancongereel... i've been running some old time atac pedals, and hockey stopping all i care to do. not a single pullout yet. my advice, keep an eye on craigslist and get some if your shoes are compatible with time cleats.
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since i think it was my comment that unintentionally started all that...

sometimes you gotta hockey stop, like if you're leaning into a turn and realize that you need to stop suddenly. just hitting the front brake can sometimes cause unwanted results. a rear brake's probably better in that situation, but locking your legs will work.

but yeah, in my experience a good ole brake will stop you faster in the vast majority of situations.

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though i still think hockey stop is way fun
also very valid, if you've got all the time and room you want, might as well have fun. just take care of those knees!

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not doing bullhorns, though, as mine got wrecked a while back and i switched to an ea50 mtb bar and i've gotten used to it.
I was running risers in Tokyo till i went to SF for a couple of months. Risers are just stupid in SF in my opinion. I went back to bullhorns pretty quick. Youre right, risers sucks on hills but when you have A LOT of hills all the time it really really sucks and you want something real to hold onto.
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^^that has crossed my mind.

as far as the "stopping fast" thing, i just want to drop it since i realized that phrasing a subjective impression as an objective fact is not the way to go about things.
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