tonestar

I am thinking about getting a Cinelli Vigorelli and was wondering if anyone has some experience with these frames and could give some insight on them. I'd basically like to get an idea of what frame size works for me. I'd tried to get some help from local bike shops. But one suggests a 52 while another suggests a 54. I'm 5'7" with an 31.5" inseam.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

lordgold

If you don't know what size you are, I'm guessing you don't ride much?

If that's the case, why are you dropping so much money on a bike when you're just starting?

TehK

Kanye?

MIN 

I'd look up the geometry and ride a similar bike at a local bike shop before you pull the trigger. Alternatively, ask the people who sell the bike. Both options would be better than an internet fit-guessing game.

gargiulo.mike

oh s n a p

tonestar

i ride a 53 mercier kilo tt right now. seat tube, feels fine. but, the top tube feels short. my past bike was a fixed conversion which seemed just a tad big (55 c-t-c peugeot). i tried out a 53 bianchi pista at a lbs which felt comfy. if i were to base my meausrements off the pista, i'm still in-between the 52 and 54 cinelli.

i found a great deal on one from an online bike shop. i thought about the pista concept, but the cinelli was a couple hundred more on this site. so, i figured why not go for the cinelli.

what do you think? is the cinelli worth the extra couple hundred?

felldownthewell

Now now. I doubt his bike shoots flames.


Go to the stores you mentioned before and ride a few 52's and few 54's around the block, see which one fits you best. Different bikes fit differently (my lemond 59 feels more like a 61). If you are dead set on the Cinelli then go try out a few different sizes and see which fits best.

zelah

lol you dick

MIN 

Only you know the answer to that. For me personally, it would be if I were in the market.

As for 52cm vs 54cm - if you are truly in between frame sizes, consider that the saddle to bar drop will be more severe (all else equal) on the 52 cm vs the 54 cm.

marqueemoon

Finding a frame that fits entails more than "knowing your size". The higher bottom bracket and steeper angles of track frames make them fit differently. I had to pass on a deal on amazing Land Shark frame that was "my size" because the bb was so high I couldn't stand over the damn thing.

In my experience it's better to error on the side of too small, but the OP should really compare the specs of the two sizes with his/her existing bike and ride other track/fixed bikes with similar specs to help come to a decision.

My biggest concern for a noob looking at this frame is the lack of brake drilling. As for the money, whatever.

...Or the OP could call Kanye West and see if he can loan out his ride to check it out.

tonestar

thanks for the advice on sizing. i'll keep that in mind.

tonestar

already tried kanye. he won't return my calls.

i don't mind the lack of brake drilling. granted i've only ridden fixed for barely over a year. but, i've gotten to be pretty confident rollin without brakes.

thanks for your insight.

lordgold

Normally, I'm the nice guy. I thought I'd take the standard SSFG approach this time around.
I didn't like it. So yes, I was a dick.


Honestly, I love the Vigorelli, and if he can afford it, go for it!

marqueemoon

I know it's hip to run a deep drop stem but it's not necessary. According to the specs, there is a 16mm difference between the head tube lengths. A brand new frame is going to have an uncut steerer. Spacers are not evil. Too many of them and it gets silly, but it's a track frame, not a Rivendell.

Reach (tt length) is more important. You need to be able to have the right reach to the bars without resorting to running a stem that makes the handling squirrely or sluggish.

tonestar

thanks for that.

The problem of the tt length you mentioned is the problem i'm having with my kilo tt right now.

i was uncertain about the top tube on the 52 and 54. the seat tube on the 54 cinelli looks right for me. but then again, thinking about one of the previous posts, i'm not sure if the bb drop will be an issue for me that i can't even stand over the thing. which is why i was hoping to see if someone with my inseam and height had some experience with either size.

bonechilling

kergin

^^ you are out of hand.

tonestar

yeah, seriously. how many times do i need to see that picture??

yonderboy

I have one of the 2008 frames, built for track racing. If you're going to buy one, fit it by the top tube (Cinelli's T1 measurement) and ignore the seat tube measurement. The ST actual measurement is about 40mm shorter than the effective length.

If your 53 feels too short in the TT, buy a longer stem. Mine pictured below has a 555mm TT with a 120mm stem, but my road bike has a 575mm TT and I run a 100mm stem on that.

humancongereel

come on, kanye west can afford it.

Zombie Carl

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean when you say "european geometry?" You're referring to short tt long st?

MIN 

Colnagos are known for the same "euro" short tt geometry. Nice bike yonder.

yonderboy

It's a more traditional style of geometry, with a little more slack head tube angle and a slightly shorter top tube, putting your weight more on the saddle than the bars. A lot of the European frame makers still use this style of geometry. If you look at some of the domestic or Asian geometries, they have parallel or close to parallel head/seat tube angles and square top/seat tube lengths.

I find the handling nimble, but not twitchy. But my sizing is slightly between most normal sizes, so I find it works really well for me.

Toxanadu

I agree

BRABUS E430

fwiw i used to have a pista. the pista 57 worked out good for me. eventually upgraded to a vigorelli in 58 which is also a good size. hope that kinda helps

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