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Old 01-23-08, 10:05 AM   #1
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Cordura Double Toe Straps. Possible?

Nice leather double straps are expensive. Soma doubles suck (I have them). and I have only seen nylon single straps and they tend to fray. Cordura being very fray resistant I had an idea.

My idea was to make some double toe straps out of cordura. Basically I would use some current double toe straps as a template. and cut out the shape of the straps out of cordura. Then use a soldering iron to melt all of the edges to prevent fraying. Then I would take the buckles of 2 pairs of some old nylon single straps and attach them to the new straps.

Do you think this would work? Am I overlooking something? Where can I buy cordura? Any suggestions?
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Old 01-23-08, 11:41 AM   #2
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It might work, you could probably find it at a local fabric store. You could also look into strapping from a hardware or outdoors store. That would probably work well as well if you are looking to the DIY route.
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Old 01-23-08, 11:45 AM   #3
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cordura stretches when wet and is destroyed by prolonged exposure to direct sunlight. (but that takes a while)
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That is not the correct application of material. Cordura is used for bag shells for it's abrasion resistance. 1000 denier Cordura is thin and has a straight weave, it isn't made for that kind of force (look at your bag, then look at an automotive seatbelt).

I've thought about buying some 1/2" polypropylene webbing and making straps out of that. THAT would be a great product.
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Old 01-23-08, 11:52 AM   #5
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use poly pro tubular webbing in 1/4" it may just work

polypro doesn't stretch when wet and it is highly abrasion resistant it is just a little bit brittle at times

just man up and get some toshi singles they are great
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Sorry for being a newb. I think that what I am describing will not work with polypropylene webbing. Lets say I got a 4" wide by 2 feet long strap of polypropylene webbing. Could I cut out a piece that looks like the attached picture discarding the red parts and keeping the black parts. Would this destroy the "knitting structure" (?) of the strap? Can I melt edges of the strap to prevent unravelling or fraying? Should I really just man up and get some toshi singles?
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Old 01-23-08, 01:37 PM   #7
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that would be bad for the webbing to cut it like that.
you would, oh i hate to say this.

ahem you would be destroying the thread matrix causing the weaving to come undone because there
would be nothing for the neighboring threads to bond to and it would fail like a thong on a fat chick.
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I can't make any sense of your drawing.

Webbing isn't knit, it's woven. If you had to cut it (you can't really cut it like that), I wouldn't suggest melting the edges because it would make it brittle. Melting edges is only good for the very tip of a piece of webbing, and even then it's not that great of a solution (hence the caps and folded/stitched ends you see).

If you can try to make your idea more clear maybe we can make it work.
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Just save your money and buy some.
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I kinda figured I would ruin the thread matrix lol. Sorry I am not being clear maybe this will be better. I basically want double straps out of something durable that are not leather. Basically I want this:

made out of some other material (poly pro, or nylon, something cheap and sturdy). I also do not want any kind of strap doubler etc. I want a single piece of material that has 2 straps. I like the price of nylon straps, and I like the support and durability of doubles, and I want to get the best of both worlds. Hope this helps.
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Dude, just buy a couple powerstraps and modify them.
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dude you can sew poly pro together that is how you would do it but you sound like you have no clue what you doing so your should just buy some straps
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Um....if you want double straps badly, why don't you just find single straps that you really like and use cadence doublizers (or you can make your own). That would be much easier than trying to find another material and cutting/sewing/riveting it together.
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stop trying to reinvent the wheel and replace it with an obviously inferior design.
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When I first got the idea I wanted to see how easy or hard it would be to have my idea realized. If it is pretty easy to make a bunch of these it would be great because I think there would be a lot of people interested in some cheap double straps that are more durable than soma doubles and in all the colors of the rainbow. Just imagine it will be like the successor to the custom top tube pad!(just what we need right?) Though I do not adorn my bike with a TT pad there are many that do and there is deffinitely a market for colorful bike crap. So if I can turn a profit from it, why not re-invent the wheel.
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Just buy some straps.

THEN, continue with a hobby project of trying to use perhaps climbing webbing? to make another set.
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Though I do not adorn my bike with a TT pad there are many that do and there is deffinitely a market for colorful bike crap. So if I can turn a profit from it, why not re-invent the wheel.
While entrepreneurship is valuable, you can't expect to dive into something and make cash, especially if you don't really know anything about whatever you're making/doing. Not trying to shoot you down, I'm just saying you've got to be realistic.

e.g. I bought an industrial sewing machine a couple weeks ago with the intent of making messenger bags, something that would be great for my portfolio and resume. Right now I've got 5 bags sitting next to me, and the only thing that has slowed me down is that I ran out of liner material (picking up $80 worth on Friday). Do I think I can sell these? Maybe if I price them low enough, I don't know. Stuff like this isn't quick cash.

Perfect your product before thinking of profit, right? Give me your 2 cents guys.
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I still really want to try to make some synthetic doubles out of laminated Lorica. I've been going after this for over a year, though, and have run up against 2 problems.

1. Buying Lorica is a total pain in the ass unless you buy it direct from Italy by the bolt and have it FedExed, and then it's just stupid expensive.

2. Finding the buckles for toe straps outside of butchering old straps is essentially impossible.

If I could get past these two hurdles, I could provide the best damned synthetic straps on the market that would rival quality leather straps as well. Supply chain issues blow.

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stop trying to reinvent the wheel and replace it with an obviously inferior design.
You don't quite get the whole idea of innovation, do you? Not ever superior idea looks good from the start, especially from an outside perspective. The best products come from people who have good ideas and keep working on them, even if people make asinine comments like this along the way.
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#2. Buy cheapo nylon straps in bulk and just steal the buckles from those.
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Unfortunately, butchering new straps that are still perfectly good really doesn't entice me any more than trying to salvage a bunch of buckles from old straps.
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I'm going to make some vegan, triple straps out of corn husks... orders anyone?
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