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Old 01-31-08, 02:51 PM   #1
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Miche primamato vs. sugino 75

I'm going to buy one of these eventually... i'm not sure which one i want.
The sugino's are more expensive, but are pretty-er and everyone loves them. But i can't see anything wrong with the miches... is it worth the extra cash? And if i buy the matching bb, which one will require more maintenance?
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Old 01-31-08, 03:13 PM   #2
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Only reason I would not get the Miche's personally is that they have a 135 BCD and chain rings are hard enough to come by in 144 much less even more specific 135. But that's just me I don't have any info on maintenance though. I just like to plan ahead as far as upgrading and switching parts around and availability and pricing goes.
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Old 01-31-08, 03:32 PM   #3
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the new miches crank is 144bcd, you should buy only what your freinds approve of unless you want to be an outcast.
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Old 01-31-08, 03:43 PM   #4
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I'm going for the Miche Advanced over 75's. Cheaper, noticable difference in quality is very little(honestly now, how many of us can feel the difference between high quality cranks?), good looking, and in 144 BCD.

As far as maintenance goes, you'll have to take apart the 75 BB every so often since it's a conventional BB whereas Miche uses a cartridge.
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dude, he used "pretty-er" and "everyone loves them" as reasons for going with a $200 crankset.
i'm pretty sure he's installing what ever he buys "eventually" on 15$ nashbar bb.
(how important can a part you can't even see possibly be??)
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Old 01-31-08, 04:03 PM   #6
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I have the miche primatos with the 135 and I like mine, havent had to do any matenience on them or the miche bottom bracket. And if i ever for some reason need to change the chainring i'll just buy a miche, NO PROBLEM. I do like the way they look over the suginos also, but I have all miche stuff so w/e. They're stiff too.
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stiff, eh?
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Old 01-31-08, 04:28 PM   #8
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like i was when i saw your mom
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Old 01-31-08, 04:33 PM   #9
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you sound like a real winner.
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I have looked at both and had this same internal debate. If you live in a wet/snowy area, i would suggest the sugino 75 and matching bb being that its serviceable. Cartridge bb are much more difficult, if you're lucky you get one you can replace the bearings. If not, you throw it away and get another. Loose ball allows you to overhaul your bb after a wet ride, or a grimy, salt road covered ride. A little more work, but the benefits are numerous.

now p00ki, you came in here with a bad attitude. you are yet to answer the op's question. why not just drop the smart ass tones, and answer his question. After you've actually added to this conversation, then you have some room to pick others apart.
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Old 01-31-08, 05:21 PM   #11
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or you could be a real OG and jump to campy. Drop the bills, roll with the record pista cranks and bb.
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sugino for the win : )
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Old 01-31-08, 05:29 PM   #13
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now p00ki, you came in here with a bad attitude. you are yet to answer the op's question. why not just drop the smart ass tones, and answer his question. After you've actually added to this conversation, then you have some room to pick others apart.
Ok, fair is fair.

OP, based on your rationale, the crank itself doesn't matter. You will most likely not be able to feel the difference between the two cranks, assuming there's any difference at all. If you're an especially strong rider, your best bet is to spend money on stiff cycling shoes as this is the first place you'll notice any flex.
if the pedals are for street riding in sneakers, the point is moot. In this instance, just go with the cranks that you feel look nicer and match them with a decent appropriately sized* sealed cartridge bottom bracket as this will allow you to leave the cranks on (miche primato bb) without ever (or at least not in a long while) having to remove the cranks to remove the cups to remove the bearings to clean and re-grease them (sugino 75 bb).

*remember to factor in your rear hub+cog chainline before deciding on cranks or at least a bb-- this potentially makes a difference.

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Just for the sake of being pretty, I would say try and find last year's Miche's over this years (silver ring v black). Sure there is the 144bcd, which could be seen as an improvement, but 135 isnt too bad. (maybe this will make the 135 stuff go on clearance!)
Another nice aspect about the Miche is the adjustable bottom bracket. So you can move chainline if it doesnt fit just right with your hubs.
ymmv but some people go years in crap weather with sealed bottom brackets and never have any trouble. And you have to ask yourself how committed to overhauling your bottom bracket you are. It is a fun thing to learn to do, but some people dont feel comfortable working on it.
Good luck
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Old 01-31-08, 05:45 PM   #15
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Romic can be contacted at:
Romic Cycle Co., Inc.
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Phone 713.466.7806
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wrong thread, broseph.
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**** unsealed BBs, go with miche
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sugino 75s with miche bb. holla!
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I have looked at both and had this same internal debate. If you live in a wet/snowy area, i would suggest the sugino 75 and matching bb being that its serviceable. Cartridge bb are much more difficult, if you're lucky you get one you can replace the bearings. If not, you throw it away and get another. Loose ball allows you to overhaul your bb after a wet ride, or a grimy, salt road covered ride. A little more work, but the benefits are numerous.

now p00ki, you came in here with a bad attitude. you are yet to answer the op's question. why not just drop the smart ass tones, and answer his question. After you've actually added to this conversation, then you have some room to pick others apart.
Except for the part where carts don't need maintenance everytime it rains, never goes out of adjustment and takes about 1 minute to install.
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Miche BB is ****. The 75s are a decent kit, but overpriced. OP, just get the Sugino Messenger cranks. You get cheaper product, better value, and JIS BBs to pick from. Both the 75s and Miche use ISO BBs, and 135 BCD on the Miche is only used, akaik, on campy road cranks. Yea...$100/chainring.
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Wrong. New Miche's are 144. Also, the actual taper of the Sugino RD's is a source of much frustration and confusion. They basically ONLY work with the Sugino RD 103mm BB. Plus, you end up with a chainline that's 2mm outboard of where it "should" be.
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the actual taper of the Sugino RD's is a source of much frustration and confusion. They basically ONLY work with the Sugino RD 103mm BB.
Duh...?
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They basically ONLY work with the Sugino RD 103mm BB. Plus, you end up with a chainline that's 2mm outboard of where it "should" be.
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I would suggest Sugino, but that's because I don't like Italians as much as I like Japanese - and I'm half italian.

I endorse the Sugino Messenger suggestion.

As for the debate regarding BBs: just because one picks one crankset over the other, doesn't mean he/she has to choose the BB from the same manufacturer. The nice thing about square taper BBs is, everyone and their dog makes them. You got choices.
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^^ While everyone and their mother makes square taper BBs, its important to remember that JIS cranks will bottom out on ISO taper BBs; conversely, ISO cranks sit too far out on JIS BBs. If the op goes with Miche, I'd suggest forking over additional cash for a Campy BB; very, very high quality ISO BBs.

The wise choice is to avoid ISO altogether. Very few manufacturers use ISO, outside of grandfathered Campy, Miche, and some NJS stuff. The rest of the world is using JIS or has switched to external bearing systems or ISIS/Octalink.
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