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Old 02-19-08, 06:51 PM   #1
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$25 for 6mm worth of Phil wood spacers? Seriously?

Seriously? Am I reading this correctly?

http://www.philwood.com/Low%20Flange.htm

Are they maDe out of diamond or something like that?

120mm double fixed: $209.00
126mm double fixed: $236.00

What?
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get your phils here DOUBLE FIXED FOR $168!!!! or add $16
you can get low or high flange
http://spicercycles.com/index.cgi?ca...cat_desc=Track
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$16 is still ****ing ridiculous.
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hey it's still better than what the other guy is charging but yea I hear you. Do note however phil is very high quality so you're paying for that
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hey it's still better than what the other guy is charging but yea I hear you. Do note however phil is very high quality so you're paying for that
high quality or not, spacers cost ~$.05 a piece. thats a hell of a markup.
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high quality or not, spacers cost ~$.05 a piece. thats a hell of a markup.
Phil uses a totally different axle design than most hubs. I don't see how they could be using regular axle spacers.
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blame campy for setting the trend
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So... just buy the hubs and get the spacers at the lbs. Am I missing something? The 120 and 126 have the same axle length right? Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism, if someone is silly enough to pay that much for spacers there will always be someone cunning enough to sell spacers for that much.
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the fact that they use different spacers doesnt make much difference, they are still undoubtedly easy and inexpensive to make. no one would make an axel that required expensive parts for such a simple function, unless they were stupid, or communist.
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the fact that they use different spacers doesnt make much difference, they are still undoubtedly easy and inexpensive to make. no one would make an axel that required expensive parts for such a simple function, unless they were stupid, or communist.
Agreed.
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I think you guys misunderstand how Phil hubs work. They have to machine different parts for different axle spacings. How many people actually care about using the proper 126mm hub instead of a 120mm? Very few. That means smaller runs, increasing the cost of the part.

For example...
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I think you guys misunderstand how Phil hubs work. They have to machine different parts for different axle spacings. How many people actually care about using the proper 126mm hub instead of a 120mm? Very few. That means smaller runs, increasing the cost of the part.

For example...

Still doesnt cost near that much difference for the parts...its a rip off no matter how you look at it.
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I think you guys misunderstand how Phil hubs work. They have to machine different parts for different axle spacings. How many people actually care about using the proper 126mm hub instead of a 120mm? Very few. That means smaller runs, increasing the cost of the part.

For example...
I actually thought it was the complete opposite. Highest price for the biggest market, that being 126mm conversions.
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I actually thought it was the complete opposite. Highest price for the biggest market, that being 126mm conversions.
Except in most cases the cost of manufacturing actually goes down if you increase the number of said products being made on a daily basis. Manufacturing means machines, the less the machine is producing, the more you have to charge for each item it produces.
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I actually thought it was the complete opposite. Highest price for the biggest market, that being 126mm conversions.
That's how a supply curve will react. A demand curve does just the opposite. The combination results in the equilibrium price (what the market will eventually settle into) being lower for a bigger market and higher for a smaller one.
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blah blah blah, supply demand, whatever. If you reallllllly need those extra 6mm goto a hardware store and session their "washers" section.
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Still doesnt cost near that much difference for the parts...its a rip off no matter how you look at it.
YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR THE PART.

like blickblocks said you are paying for a different machining operation on a separate batch of axles. Every time you change the machining operations, someone has to set that up. you are paying for labor, not to mention the overhead on that labor.

besides if you are ready to pony up $200, whats $6 for something that fits your frame exactly?
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blah blah blah, supply demand, whatever. If you reallllllly need those extra 6mm goto a hardware store and session their "washers" section.
this wouldn't work on the phil design.
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this wouldn't work on the phil design.
inferior design. communism at its finest "you have to use our spacers."
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you've twice proven you haven't the slightest working concept of what communism is, dude.
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inferior design. communism at its finest "you have to use our spacers."
Phil is definitly inferrior. Everybody knows that.
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you've twice proven you haven't the slightest working concept of what communism is, dude.
not making your business compatible with generic and/or other parts is pretty apparently communistic in nature. Ever tried working on anything mechanicle that is from the soviet union?
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The Phil rear hub I have doesn't seem to be compatible with "spacers". I think the axle has to be machined for different OLDs ("width").

If you knew what crap quality the White Industries hubs are inside, you would be HAPPY to pay for the Phil hub. Talk about rip-off.

The best value are, however, Surly hubs. Very cheap and yet extremely well-made. Not as well as Phil, but they cost much less. They cost half as much as a WI hub, and yet are way better machined and use more and better quality bearings. Honestly, I cannot understand how can WI get away by asking such outrageous moneys for such drek. You can fully appreciate the crappiness of a WI hub only if you disassemble it.

I also like the Shimano hubs a lot. Too underrated 'round here, and yet some of the best and cheapest hubs you can get.
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blah blah blah, supply demand, whatever. If you reallllllly need those extra 6mm goto a hardware store and session their "washers" section.
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