First, they are too short. The articulated knee is more like an articulated lower thigh. The hem is around/above my kneecap when I ride. Second, the cell phone pocket sits right over the edge of the back pocket and is sewn through the back pocket, essentialy cutting it in half in a very akward manner making it nearly impossible to get out anything you have put in the back pocket. Third, and the worst feature of these knickers, the taint destroyer. Rather than having a seam that runs from zipper under and up the back like a pair of jeans there is a strip of material runs up one inner thigh and down the other. It is so horribly placed and sewn, where the huge knot of fabric connecting that strip to the regular zipper-to-butt seam sits right at the taint. These are painful to wear on a 10 minute ride without bike shorts under them, and painful with shorts on anything nearing 10 miles. In short, they suck. What a waste.