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Old 02-20-08, 09:18 AM   #1
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Why SWRV knickers suck

3 reasons:
First, they are too short. The articulated knee is more like an articulated lower thigh. The hem is around/above my kneecap when I ride. Second, the cell phone pocket sits right over the edge of the back pocket and is sewn through the back pocket, essentialy cutting it in half in a very akward manner making it nearly impossible to get out anything you have put in the back pocket. Third, and the worst feature of these knickers, the taint destroyer. Rather than having a seam that runs from zipper under and up the back like a pair of jeans there is a strip of material runs up one inner thigh and down the other. It is so horribly placed and sewn, where the huge knot of fabric connecting that strip to the regular zipper-to-butt seam sits right at the taint. These are painful to wear on a 10 minute ride without bike shorts under them, and painful with shorts on anything nearing 10 miles. In short, they suck. What a waste.
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Old 02-20-08, 09:19 AM   #2
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I like mine. Overpriced though.
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Old 02-20-08, 10:03 AM   #4
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3 reasons:
First, they are too short. The articulated knee is more like an articulated lower thigh. The hem is around/above my kneecap when I ride. Second, the cell phone pocket sits right over the edge of the back pocket and is sewn through the back pocket, essentialy cutting it in half in a very akward manner making it nearly impossible to get out anything you have put in the back pocket. Third, and the worst feature of these knickers, the taint destroyer. Rather than having a seam that runs from zipper under and up the back like a pair of jeans there is a strip of material runs up one inner thigh and down the other. It is so horribly placed and sewn, where the huge knot of fabric connecting that strip to the regular zipper-to-butt seam sits right at the taint. These are painful to wear on a 10 minute ride without bike shorts under them, and painful with shorts on anything nearing 10 miles. In short, they suck. What a waste.

send them an irate email
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Old 02-20-08, 10:40 AM   #5
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This is why your local army surplus store and a pair of bdus are your best friends
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Old 02-20-08, 03:21 PM   #6
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My wife has a pair of SWRV knickers and loves them. They won't fit me, so I can't give you a more detailed review.
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Admit it. You've tried on your wife's pants.
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Old 02-20-08, 03:41 PM   #8
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the jeans i won of theirs at broken hearts are uber comy
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sounds like you're either a freakish man-beast or you ordered the wrong size.
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If anyone else has comments, keep 'em coming. I've been looking into getting a pair of these. I know, I know, I could just buy some pants and cut and hem them, but I like the idea of supporting a smaller, start up company that makes their gear here in the good ol' u s of a.

that said, has anybody used the swobo bruno knickers? They look pretty nice, but I wonder about the fit.
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Old 02-20-08, 04:12 PM   #11
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...that said, has anybody used the swobo bruno knickers? They look pretty nice, but I wonder about the fit.
I think they're ugly, and they look baggy. I don't own a pair though. They'll probably answer an email inquiry.

I have a pair of the schoeller wool knickers from Swrve, and they are too short, but I should've ordered up a size. Maybe I'm just too fat. They seem well-made.
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swrve's are great knickers. fit is slim - so if you've got bigger thighs make sure you order up. actually, i'd say order one size larger regardless especially the cotton ones (since they have little stretch).

also consider they have a variety of fabrics as well as a sprinter's cut (giant animal quad people) so make sure you order exactly what you want/need.

i'm a big fan of my lightweight schoeller dynamic knickers in grey. they're stretchy - but don't look lycra-like. they're abrasion resistant and well constructed. they're also water resistant but breathable enough to wear midsummer.
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I emailed my above comments and they responded right away. I will say the customer service with them has been top notch. My initial shipment arrived right away, and when I sent them back for the sprinters cut they got those to me within 5 days of me shipping the old ones back to them at no charge. She apologized for the pockets being sewn together, saying that is a mistake and they try to catch it but a few slip out. I would try another exchange but when I cut the pockets apart I cut a tiny bit of the inside of the pocket as well, so that's out. I really want to like these, they are just not right for my body. I take back my incendiary remarks about them. Customer service is great, product doesn't work for me. I wouldn't tell someone not to get them, but I will tell them why they don't work for me.
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i got a pair of the swrve wool knickers and i love them. the fit is right on (i'm 200 lbs), length is good and the 4 way stretch material gives in all the right places. i've worn them in the rain and they kept me warm and they didn't bag out or anything. also worn them in nice weather, maybe the only ding is they are a little warm in the warmer weather. but all told: thumbs up.

i'm bummed you (LoRock) have had such a crappy experience. are you on the smaller side?
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that said, has anybody used the swobo bruno knickers? They look pretty nice, but I wonder about the fit.
Oh man, they are freaking nice. The pic on the Swobo site makes them look ugly, but they look great when worn. Super comfy, especially with a padded liner. I have a pair in size 32 and they run a tad large, but I just wear a belt. If I were to wear them with boxers they would probably be more snug. The fit is definitely on the loose side, but I wouldn't call them baggy. More like fitted slacks. Only drawback is that they're dry clean only.
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i'm bummed you (LoRock) have had such a crappy experience. are you on the smaller side?
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you had me up until...

"Only drawback is that they're dry clean only."

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I like the idea of supporting a smaller, start up company that makes their gear here in the good ol' u s of a.

Because people in foreing countries are less deserving? I've never understood the buy-local mentality. Well, I do from say a government's perspective but I can't see why anyone else would think so. Maybe I'm prejudiced from taking econ classes?
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Nice pants though. But damn theyzz pricey!
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one good reason to buy local is simply because products have to be shipped wherever they go. the more shipping, the more carbon, the more carbon...you know where this is going.
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Because people in foreing countries are less deserving? I've never understood the buy-local mentality. Well, I do from say a government's perspective but I can't see why anyone else would think so. Maybe I'm prejudiced from taking econ classes?
Or predudiced because you are from canada.

Kidding aside, I am in agreement with you. Free global market means more competitors which means fierce competition which means better products (in theory). Then again, I am talking out of my ass.

Although the carbon / shipping argument I agree with too. That being said personally I try to consolidate what I buy and where I buy it from to cut down. Then again, the raw materials had to get shipped there somehow... I think it is spinnable either way you look at it.
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^ I'm aware of the eco agreement above, but the truth is that it's hard to tell what a products shipping footprint is. For instance, transporting something a few hundred km in a truck releases a lot more CO2 than shipping it accross the Atlantic in a ship. Just sayin.

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^ I'm aware of the eco agreement above, but the truth is that it's hard to tell what a products shipping footprint is. For instance, transporting something a few hundred km in a truck releases a lot more CO2 than shipping it accross the Atlantic in a ship. Just sayin.
Right, which just goes to show there is always so much more to it. Figuring out the actual stats on something like that is something I want to keep my OCD tendencies away from though. Would drive me insane.
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I never understood the whole idea behind these knicker things. They look stupid. In the future, my 'riding pants' will just be made of that awesome material that repels water drops. Or at least jeans with wax on them.
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I never understood the whole idea behind these knicker things. They look stupid. In the future, my 'riding pants' will just be made of that awesome material that repels water drops. Or at least jeans with wax on them.
i have the midweight, schoeller dry skin knickers from swrve and love them. the water rolls off them and the fabric has great flexibility and doesn't tend to have memory like other materials do. i got them for $70 or so on sale and think it was a great investment; especially w/ wool leg warmers underneath when it's below freezing, or w/ just padded shorts underneath when it rains.
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