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    TOMMASINI track frame WARNING to consumers

    I would like to notify the public that we have had a problem with a person out of Switzerland claiming he is a representative of Tommasini and selling fake Tommasini Track frames / Tommasini Gorilla Track frames on ebay. His name on ebay is mozzy66 / his real name is Thomas.

    PLEASE NOTE - THESE ARE NOT REAL TOMMASINI FRAMES. We do not make frames for him and he is not affiliated with Tommasini in any way.

    To ensure you are purchasing an authentic Tommasini frame, please purchase through an authorized dealer for your area, a list of authorized dealers can be found on our website. In addition, you can see the frames we produce on our websites www.ridetommasini.com and www.tommasini.com - as you will see, there is not a Tommasini Track frame or Gorilla Track frame shown. We are working on creating a new steel track frame for the US market only but it will be Tommasini quality, currently all of our frame models are road frames but they are available in track or cyclocross geometry.

    Also - please note that legitimate Tommasini dealers will NEVER SELL ON EBAY. We do not allow it. If someone claims they have a new frame for sale on ebay or any other site, that should be a red flag and if you buy it there is a very good chance you are buying a fake.

    If you are buying a new or older Tommasini frame and are unsure of it's authenticity, please feel free to contact me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideTommasini View Post
    I would like to notify the public that we have had a problem with a person out of Switzerland claiming he is a representative of Tommasini and selling fake Tommasini Track frames / Tommasini Gorilla Track frames on ebay. His name on ebay is mozzy66 / his real name is Thomas.

    PLEASE NOTE - THESE ARE NOT REAL TOMMASINI FRAMES. We do not make frames for him and he is not affiliated with Tommasini in any way.

    To ensure you are purchasing an authentic Tommasini frame, please purchase through an authorized dealer for your area, a list of authorized dealers can be found on our website. In addition, you can see the frames we produce on our websites www.ridetommasini.com
    Hi everybody, my name is Thomas Schreier, aka mozzy66 on ebay, I live in Zurich Switzerland. I manage and build up my bicycle business along my money job since 5 years and I love it. I was kindly contacted by Jon from bikeforums about the accusations placed here by Tina Indalecio from Tommasini USA.

    These are the facts:

    I talk to Alessandro Malentacchi from the Tommasini family in Grosseto on the phone regularly. I was on the phone with him this morning and we had a heated debate about this very serious accusation placed here in public towards me. We are all pretty upset, especially me.

    I bouhgt and sold a big chunk of the Tommasini stock in vintage steel frames and bicycles over a good period of time. After 3 years of a most gratifying development of our collaboration, I asked Tommasini whether they were interested in developing a frame where I outlined the requirements according to my experience as a bicycle dealer specialized in steel frames and with some connections to the local velo and courier scene here in Zurich. The goal was a relatively low cost track frame, something they did not have in their program, to help them extend their market and fill gaps in their production. Tommasini agreed to produce some small steel frame series exclusively with me. The first series was a TIG welded track frame, named Gorilla, where we used some obsolete Columbus tubing Tommasini had in his warehouse. For the other series Tommasini only produced a couple of samples, they are nicely chromed road frames branded Gorilla, carrying their T head badge on the stearing tube.

    All these activities have obviously become a needle in the eye of Tommasini USA. Who really wants to know about my and other Tommasini frames, go back to the source and call Tommasini in Grosseto Italy (0039 056 445 50 06), ask for Barbara Tommasini, she is fluent in English, she will be able to clarify the situation.

    Tina Indalecio’s statement is a defamation, trying to endamage my reputation as a dealer of steelframes manufactured in Italy. I offer Tommasini frames amongst other products and brands. I work directly with Tommasini in Italy, our collaboration is based on a twosided appreciation. Unfortunately, Tommasini Italy sold the rights to their brand to Tommasini USA, so Tommasini USA have them in a difficult position I guess.

    Tommasini USA is creating a big fuss about a couple of frames that american customers bought from me rather than from them (which is normal in the age of ebay and all the stores on www). They actually recieve calls from people (and I guess amongst those also requests from retailers) who want to buy that type of frame because it is nice - and Tommasini USA has to say sorry, no, we don’t have that frame. But why not, everybody wants it, they are replied. So there we go: This is actually what I was suggesting Tommasini in the first place: make something fun, explore new land, reach new custumers.

    I am working on building up my business as a small niche bicycle distributer (Gorilla Bicycles), working directly with a couple of the finest Italian bicycle manufacturers - and do you think I would take that risk and throw away 5 years of hard work for a couple of fake frames? With the internet today and the bicycle community being so well informed and connected, this would be a very short sighted enterprise.

    Last but not least: The Tommasini produce very beautiful steel frames, perfect in detail and finish. I know how much dedication it takes to being able to offer a product at such a high standard. The Tommasini manufacturers are honest, fun and professional people, that cultivate their craftsmanship on a very high level. They have my highest respect and appreciation. They are amongst the few who resisted the Chinese take over and still exclusively produce in Europe.

    For any further information please contact me at thomas@gorillabicycles.com.

    That was a lot of reading, thank you for your time and interest.

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    Hi, I just joined this forum to set some facts out , I have bought 2 Tommasini frames from mozzy66, one a Gorilla track, which he claimed was made by Tommasini in Italy and a road frame, branded as Tommasini. I rang Thomas in Switzerland to check out what Ride Tommasini was claiming. He emailed me a scaned coppy of Tommasini's invocie to him, which had my frames listed. (looked genuine) Anyway this gave me the phone numbers in Italy to call, which I did. Tommasini in Italy confirmed that they have sold Mozzy66 (Thomas Schrier) old stock of their frames and were building Gorila branbed frames for him. Also I asked about RIDE TOMMASINI, which I was told are the distributor for Tommasini USA. Me thinking RIDE TOMMASINI, is trying to squeeze Mozzy66 out.

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    Hi, I just joined this forum to set some facts out , I have bought 2 Tommasini frames from mozzy66, one a Gorilla track, which he claimed was made by Tommasini in Italy and a road frame, branded as Tommasini. I rang Thomas in Switzerland to check out what Ride Tommasini was claiming. He emailed me a scaned coppy of Tommasini's invocie to him, which had my frames listed. (looked genuine) Anyway this gave me the phone numbers in Italy to call, which I did. Tommasini in Italy confirmed that they have sold Mozzy66 (Thomas Schrier) old stock of their frames and were building Gorila branbed frames for him. Also I asked about RIDE TOMMASINI, which I was told are the distributor for Tommasini USA. Me thinking RIDE TOMMASINI, is trying to squeeze Mozzy66 out.

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    Hi, I just saw this additional forum and I would like to set some facts out , I have bought 2 Tommasini frames from mozzy66, one a Gorilla track, which he claimed was made by Tommasini in Italy and a road frame, branded as Tommasini. I rang Thomas in Switzerland to check out what Ride Tommasini was claiming. He emailed me a scaned coppy of Tommasini's invocie to him, which had my frames listed. (looked genuine) Anyway this gave me the phone numbers in Italy to call, which I did. Tommasini in Italy confirmed that they have sold Mozzy66 (Thomas Schrier) old stock of their frames and were building Gorila branbed frames for him. Also I asked about RIDE TOMMASINI, which I was told are the distributor for Tommasini USA.

    Me thinking RIDE TOMMASINI, is trying to squeeze Mozzy66 out.

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    gorillavelo, for the sake of letting people read both sides of the argument, you might want to post your response in the FixedGearSingleSpeed thread here. The people over there are probably more your target market than people here.

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    Mr. Schreier,

    Is not affiliated with Tommasini in any way. You may choose who you want to believe - him or our family. Several years ago he bought 4 to 6 OLD frames from our factory that were not Tommasini quality - they were made as demo bikes with inferior tubing. Now suddenly, he has a lot of bikes he claims are Tommasini frames, and he has been selling them all over the world. Yes he has spoken to my cousin Alessandro - and he was told several times to STOP what he was doing. If Mr. Schreier would like to claim that I am not speaking the truth, I would encourage him to contact his attorney, I will be glad to give him our attorney's contact info as well and he can go from there.

    Bottom line - I have no reason to stop any legitimate dealer from selling our product - that would not be good for business. I do however, have every reason to protect our family brand. Thank you for your support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpeal View Post
    Hi, I just saw this additional forum and I would like to set some facts out , I have bought 2 Tommasini frames from mozzy66, one a Gorilla track, which he claimed was made by Tommasini in Italy and a road frame, branded as Tommasini. I rang Thomas in Switzerland to check out what Ride Tommasini was claiming. He emailed me a scaned coppy of Tommasini's invocie to him, which had my frames listed. (looked genuine) Anyway this gave me the phone numbers in Italy to call, which I did. Tommasini in Italy confirmed that they have sold Mozzy66 (Thomas Schrier) old stock of their frames and were building Gorila branbed frames for him. Also I asked about RIDE TOMMASINI, which I was told are the distributor for Tommasini USA.

    Me thinking RIDE TOMMASINI, is trying to squeeze Mozzy66 out.

    We are the distributors for North and South America - we also happen to be related to Irio Tommasini. He is our uncle - you might want to get your facts straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpeal View Post
    Hi, I just joined this forum to set some facts out , I have bought 2 Tommasini frames from mozzy66, one a Gorilla track, which he claimed was made by Tommasini in Italy and a road frame, branded as Tommasini. I rang Thomas in Switzerland to check out what Ride Tommasini was claiming. He emailed me a scaned coppy of Tommasini's invocie to him, which had my frames listed. (looked genuine) Anyway this gave me the phone numbers in Italy to call, which I did. Tommasini in Italy confirmed that they have sold Mozzy66 (Thomas Schrier) old stock of their frames and were building Gorila branbed frames for him. Also I asked about RIDE TOMMASINI, which I was told are the distributor for Tommasini USA. Me thinking RIDE TOMMASINI, is trying to squeeze Mozzy66 out.

    I just spoke with my cousin Barbara Tommasini and she asked if you could please send us photos of the frames you purchased from Thomas and any written information he gave you stating they were made by Tommasini. We would really appreciate it. Thanks.

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