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Old 03-10-08, 06:42 PM   #1
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Why the Kilo TT obsession instead of the Motobecane Messenger?

Maybe this will instantly make me a pansy or something, but I sort of appreciate brakes!
The Kilo looks better, but I'd wind up adding at least a FB.
Both are 4130. The wheels on the Kilo look a bit better though. That might make it worth it.
Any reasons?
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Flat crown fork.
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Maybe this will instantly make me a pansy or something, but I sort of appreciate brakes!
The Kilo looks better, but I'd wind up adding at least a FB.
Both are 4130. The wheels on the Kilo look a bit better though. That might make it worth it.
Any reasons?
Im on your turf....my Motobecane will be here wendseday.

IMO...its a great start fixed bicycle for the budget/safety focused for those of us new to the fixed riding.
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track geometry and a nicer fork.
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The Messenger is track enough for the average joe, and comes in colors other than black and green (although that will change soon...).

Then again, the Kilo TT Pro has them both beat.

p.s. to bikesdirect_com: falling dollar be damned, ship em already!
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track geometry and a nicer fork.
But what good is Track geo if you're using the Kilo for something like a commuter?
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get a tomasini, they are such a bargain.


OK, I am finally done, I have to do work and must leave this BF cluster****
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tekhna[/B]] But what good is Track geo if you're using the Kilo for something like a commuter?
Dude... obv so you can run aerospokes and a disc and tell all the chicks that ur a trackstar!
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Dude... obv so you can run aerospokes and a disc and tell all the chicks that ur a trackstar!
Man, I need to find new chicks to try to impress if the ones you are hanging out with can spot track geometry at a glance!
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But what good is Track geo if you're using the Kilo for something like a commuter?
Who cares? You wanted the reason why people on a bike forum prefer one type more than the other. Based off the prevailing affinity for all things track or tarck, is it that much of a stretch to assume that a good reason for the popularity of a given bike is that it's similar sibling from the same parent company is less 'track'?

And as far as what good is track geo for a commuter?

I like riding my track bike significantly more than I liked riding the sluggish road geo conversion I had prior to it. Or is personal preference somehow not acceptable, and everyone must prescribe to your notion of what a good commuting bike is?
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if riding with an arrospok gets me women, **** it, i'll just get my wee wee S***'d constantly.

no ones loss.
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Who cares? You wanted the reason why people on a bike forum prefer one type more than the other. Based off the prevailing affinity for all things track or tarck, is it that much of a stretch to assume that a good reason for the popularity of a given bike is that it's similar sibling from the same parent company is less 'track'?

And as far as what good is track geo for a commuter?

I like riding my track bike significantly more than I liked riding the sluggish road geo conversion I had prior to it. Or is personal preference somehow not acceptable, and everyone must prescribe to your notion of what a good commuting bike is?
Yeah eveyrone knows tomasini is the best
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I like riding my track bike significantly more than I liked riding the sluggish road geo conversion I had prior to it. Or is personal preference somehow not acceptable, and everyone must prescribe to your notion of what a good commuting bike is?
Yeah, because that's what I was saying. I was expecting everyone is this forum to subscribe to my normative construction of the best use, and type of a bicycle.
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nicer fork.
It's all about the non-unicrown.
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Yeah, because that's what I was saying. I was expecting everyone is this forum to subscribe to my normative construction of the best use, and type of a bicycle.
We thought what you were saying was that you wanted an opinion.
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By "nicer fork" is that just as far as looks? Is there a performance advantage to it? If the Moto is less track geometry, does that mean it will have less toe overlap? Thanks.
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By "nicer fork" is that just as far as looks? Is there a performance advantage to it? If the Moto is less track geometry, does that mean it will have less toe overlap? Thanks.
Definitely as far as looks. They are both steel, so any performance advantage would be minimal at best. "Less track geometry" sounds like garbage to me... if you take the frame specs you can probably figure out the distance from BB to the front hub (with a few assumptions). Whichever is longer will probably have less toe overlap.
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It's all about the non-unicrown.
What exactly does that mean in performance terms?
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What exactly does that mean in performance terms?
Nothing,just aesthetics
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Dumb question: What's the difference between track geometry vs. normal road bike geometry? And what's the reason why you can run aerospokes on one bike and not the other?
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Dumb question: What's the difference between track geometry vs. normal road bike geometry? And what's the reason why you can run aerospokes on one bike and not the other?
Way to search up Cadd. That's what we like to see, and I can answer this one for you. Track geometry is generally tighter, and the seat tube and head tube are generally steeper. The Messenger is more track than a road bike though
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Can you help me define "tighter"? Meaning, shorter TT?

And when you say the seat/head tube angles are steeper, do you mean, a larger number?

If I understand correctly, a lower number head tube angle, will bring the front wheel further away from the frame?

A lower number seat tube angle will push the seat further back a little?
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Kilo TT is tarck as fawk!
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