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Old 03-18-08, 08:57 PM   #1
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Reluctantly asking SSFG to help me build up a vintage keirin frame

This almost ended up in the track or vintage forum, where it may end up yet, but I always get a kick out of this place. So, have at it. How should I build up this frame; how should I restore/preserve it? I've got some ideas, but what do y'all think I should do on reasonable budget (real reasonable, not NJS-reasonable).

To what extent would you vintage aficionados try to restore or preserve this? I'm looking for must-do suggestions, like stopping that corrosion around the headset, and anything else. I'm entertaining the idea of giving it a thin clearcoat--neither glossy nor matte but as clear as possible--to protect what's left of the decal and stickers. I don't mind the chips as touch-ups look lousy on a paintjob that can't be matched.






One day, I'll consider restoring the paintjob/decal as accurately as possible.

Full album here. I hope keirinculture will leave it up:
http://s130.photobucket.com/albums/p...uarsilkjuly26/

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Old 03-18-08, 09:03 PM   #2
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do NJS realistic budget
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Just build it up proper full NJS already. It's not that expensive. Wheelset should run 300.
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Get some frame saver inside it to prevent rust. I'd say gradually build it up with period correct njs stuff as you can afford it. It'll take much longer and be more expensive, but that frame needs it.
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Old 03-18-08, 09:08 PM   #5
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i vote do it. id like to see that frame completed!
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Old 03-18-08, 09:09 PM   #6
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what is that sticking out of the downtube?
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Old 03-18-08, 09:13 PM   #7
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That stripe decal is dangling.

I came off a little cheaper than I meant. This will be a majority-NJS build, or at least 50%, to start and I plan on improving it gradually.

NJS realistic is possible, minus a couple corners cut for the time being: wheelset and maybe the cranks. They're not gonna be cheapies, but probably not NJS unless the eBay gods are with me.

The biggest cut corner may be the hubs--Novatecs for $120? I'm not keen on coldsetting from 110 to 120mm and filing 2mm out of the fork and track ends, and currently available 110mm hubs are $$$. I don't obsess over hubs, so it's no big deal for me to lose selection there--and wait till I can afford something ridiculously nice.

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Old 03-18-08, 09:23 PM   #8
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oh, hot damn. vintage dura ace njs, of course!
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Dude I can get Dura Ace to Araya Red wheels full set for $300, are you trying to go tubular or clincher? You're not going to find a better deal than that or the Dura Ace to Open Pro if you're trying to do clincher that's just over $300. $120 hubs + $30-40 a wheel labor + rims + spokes = why bother with hubs that aren't DA in the first place?
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Old 03-18-08, 09:28 PM   #10
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Framesaver it now and start scouring ebay for vintage Suntour parts.
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Clinchers. Dura Ace to Open Pro was exactly what I was thinking if I can sell what I need to. I suppose DA makes sense in that it would be less than smart to lace Open Pro's to Novatec's that would be replaced in time anyway.

I was also hoping I could find something appropriate to the frame at 24-28h, but that's not so important. And I like low-flange but again prefer something that fits the frame's age.

Hrm, I wish I could trade my last build straight-up for a track gruppo, instead of losing $ in shipping costs from a series of trades and purchases. I'll post a link to the FT thread where I'll probably be pitching for such a trade soon.
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Old 03-18-08, 09:53 PM   #12
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Personally I'd look for some older campy/mavic dark anodized clinchers. Gunna be a ***** but would look awesome.
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Dura Ace to Open Pro
Vintage Sugino Super Mightys
Whatever chain
Whatever pedals
Sugino 75 seat post, or old Dura Ace/Suntour
Whatever seat you like, Selle Italia Turbo style
Nitto stem/bars
Champ grips or cotton tape

Real build.
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Old 03-18-08, 10:11 PM   #14
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Nice suggestions. I don't know if I'll be able to sleep if I start imagining what that build would be like. Part of my reluctance to post was from the danger of being convinced to spend more than I planned. Actually, I kind of hoped that would happen.

I like the Super Mighty's or anything of that style. Dura Ace vintage cranks are nice, too (just looked em up). If I go this route, it may end up being whatever appears first.

For bars, I'm definately doing cotton tape. No shellac. I plan on two different bars for this thing: some narrow, old track drops and some bullhorn (love em to death for the road). I like the way dh's Nagasawa looks with the chopped track drops as 'horns, so I may do that instead of Nitto RBs.

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First of all I think this is pre NJS and maybe even pre BIA when there really wasn't any special stamp needed. I would personally go for BIA stamped cranks/seatpost and hubs.
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Dude that's pretty rare, he probably wouldn't get his build off the ground until this time next year if he painstakingly hunted down every part to be BIA...

Repolish that chrome...
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I disagree...go period-esque and ride it. Clinchers that have been powdercoated will mimic the look of hard ano'd tubies, don't sweat the details as much. DA hubs are a safe bet but the rest can be come or go. I'd run a simple open pro/DA clincher set pc'd dark gray, some vintage Sugino/DA cranks (Buy road versions cheap and file off the inner ring stops), some classic Nitto stand-by parts like the pearl stem/b123's etc...bikes are made to be ridden IMO. Put parts on that will have the look but don't go broke.
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oh, hot damn. vintage dura ace njs, of course!
1000+

But damn, you need this:


Bit pricy, though.
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Old 03-19-08, 04:46 AM   #19
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Older DA hubs would be nice. I have conversion kits to 110 for $50 if you want to go that way.
Nitto high crown stem with the cheaper steel b123 drops.
mks sylvan track silver pedals are cheap and look pretty similar to old campys. mks steel clips are cheap too.
maybe road cranks. You do not need to grind the tabs, necessarily. I often run Campy strada road cranks with no problems.
I also have a cheap Fujita brown suede saddle/sugino fluted seat post combo....
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no...filing the ring stops just cleans them up and makes them LOOK like pistas...it totally isn't needed.
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How old is that frame? It's beautiful. I'm thinking it would be damn near impossible to do a "period correct" looking build with NJS stamped parts. If you really want it to look period correct, 36 spoke tubies are the way to go, but If you're going for function over fashion, that's yet another reason not to worry about an NJS stamp. The stamp will cost you extra $ for no benefit, and it won't even be period correct. Get an NJS lockring if it makes you feel better.
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Look like it reads "NJS", no? It also looks upside-down (from the shape of the "crest"), but that way it kind of reads "STU". Do I have a classic STU frame? Either way, it's not BIA, or is it?

On the question of how old this is, I'd really like to know. I'm guessing ~30 yrs.

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parkerlewis, I may take you up on that conversion kit. Is $50 for both hubs? And does this kit work with any 120mm NJS hub? Your other suggestions are damned good, too.

I've got an old Sugino road crankset, Super Mightys, I think. I hope to sell them with the bike they're on, but if I part it out they may stay. If they give good chainline on this frame with the ring in the outer position, I could use them for the time being. Gotta get a green dustcap .

Thanks for the good ideas. They've cleared up my choices and urged me, like I kind of wanted, to not skimp on the build.
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parkerlewis, I may take you up on that conversion kit. Is $50 for both hubs? And does this kit work with any 120mm NJS hub? Your other suggestions are damned good, too.

I've got an old Sugino road crankset, Super Mightys, I think. I hope to sell them with the bike they're on, but if I part it out they may stay. If they give good chainline on this frame with the ring in the outer position, I could use them for the time being. Gotta get a green dustcap .

Thanks for the good ideas. They've cleared up my choices and urged me, like I kind of wanted, to not skimp on the build.
the conversion kit is ONLY for the rear. it will include the 8mm slotted axle the 110mm spaced cones and nuts. the front hub won't change.

imho u should* be able to find a 110mm wheelset if u look on the right boards and what not. it's just a matter of time. i found both of my 110mm wheelsets that way and didn't spend an arm and a leg for them.
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This guy seems to have some nice older stuff, including old DA hubs...

http://njs-keirin.blogspot.com/2007/11/hubs.html
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Dura Ace to Open Pro
Vintage Sugino Super Mightys
Whatever chain
Whatever pedals
Sugino 75 seat post, or old Dura Ace/Suntour
Whatever seat you like, Selle Italia Turbo style
Nitto stem/bars
Champ grips or cotton tape

Real build.
I would go with araya 1W rims myself and look for some vintage suntour hubs over dura ace.
be patient
wait for the right hubs to come up on ebay.... oh **** araya 1W don't come in 36 hole.
but look so hot!
the fork is pure sex!
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