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Old 03-27-08, 04:38 AM   #1
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damn..I love my hubs

just went on my first ride with my new DA HF 7600 hubs and what a big difference it is from my cheap IRO/Formula hubs that my Jamie Roy comes with.

damn..it's just so astroglide smooth. it just rolls and rolls. can't wax enough lyrical about it. I am a firm believer now that you should buy the best hubs you can afford and you should never skimp on a hub. you do go faster and stop with less effort.

the best part is that it just cost me 200 bucks for the hubs and labour using my old rims and spokes.


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Old 03-27-08, 04:43 AM   #2
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You coulda changed your bearings for less than $20 and had the same effect.

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Old 03-27-08, 04:55 AM   #3
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the rolling weight of it still can't be compared to the DA.

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...and stop with less effort.
Ok, maybe you are able to feel the difference in drag between tho two hubs but please explain how they make it possible to stop faster.
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back pedalling is smoother too and like I mentioned the rolling resistant is less. thus I can stop with less resistance than before.

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Ok, maybe you are able to feel the difference in drag between tho two hubs but please explain how they make it possible to stop faster.
Same reasoning that make the minuscule difference in weight a factor. Come on folks, you're simply trying to justify your purchase with arcane reasoning. If you want them, if you like them, if you can afford them, fine. Let's not try and pretend they're going to make some huge difference.
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Old 03-27-08, 06:51 AM   #7
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it does make a whole lot of difference. try it. it's just so so smooth.

it's just like my changing of alloy rims for my car from the OEM steel rims. lighter...less rolling resistance and more fuel economy.

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it's just like my changing of alloy rims for my car from the OEM steel rims. lighter...less rolling resistance and more fuel economy.

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Not less rolling resistance...less unsprung weight.
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Not less rolling resistance...less unsprung weight.
oops sorry. my bad

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what rims did u lace them to?
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you had steel rims? lol
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why? please enlighten.

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no problem. Also the bearing performance of your loose ball DA hubs is highly dependent on which grease used, cone adjustment, and wear. Truth be known, if you ride in the rain the yellow Shimano grease will weep out quickly and leave you with crunchy bearings where the Formulas will feel the same after quite a few rain rides. Six of one...
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my new DA HF 7600 hubs...[whilst] using my old rims and spokes...go faster and stop with less effort...[than] my cheap IRO/Formula hubs.
Since your experiment is focused on hubs and bearings only and not the rotational inertia of new rims, we can deduce that you have succumbed to the placebo effect. Belief makes people do weird things.

Increased bearing resistance = easier to stop. You can't have it both ways.

I love my $350 hubs too.

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The effects you are feeling are almost entirely psychosomatic. It's no different than the guys on the road forum who buy a new bottle cage that's 10 grams lighter than their old one, and suddenly they beat their best loop time by 2.3 seconds.

Dura Ace makes great hubs though, I'm sure you'll enjoy them. Make sure you ride by the shop and buy yourself two cone wrenches (15mm, I believe) and some grease, since you'll be repacking these things pretty often.
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My new hubs have given me the ability to actually fly!

I can dig on new hubs feeling nice and smooth and making you feel faster, but I can't see how they affect your stopping power. Usually when I go faster it takes longer to stop.
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I love my $350 hubs too.

if you paid $350 for dura ace hubs you got HOSED!
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just went on my first ride with my new DA HF 7600 hubs and what a big difference it is from my cheap IRO/Formula hubs that my Jamie Roy comes with.

damn..it's just so astroglide smooth. it just rolls and rolls. can't wax enough lyrical about it. I am a firm believer now that you should buy the best hubs you can afford and you should never skimp on a hub. you do go faster and stop with less effort.

the best part is that it just cost me 200 bucks for the hubs and labour using my old rims and spokes.


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my cheap ass no name hubs on my $100 alexrim wheelset, spin just BUTTER smooth AFTER, I tore them down, and repacked them with phil grease, and PROPERLY ADJUSTED THE CONES.

they just wont spin butter smooth as long as yours will is all.

I thought you got some phil woods,..... dura ace,....sheesh
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DA hubs are nice, they look nice, feel nice, rick roll nice.

I find it funny that people usually attack the merits of expensive products when they'd probably use them too.

"Why buy dura-ace when you could've just put phil wood bearings as replacements in your formulas and they woulda been just as smooth?!"

We should get over ourselves and realize that the hobby of cycling is rife with blatant consumeristic excess! Of course sometimes we have buyers guilt but that's what justification and rationalization of that consumer excess is for- if we couldn't justify unjustifiable purchases our economy would probably stagnate.

-but again someone already reiterated if you can afford them and like them, buy them.

Personally, I like japanese stuff and repacking loose bearings-
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Old 03-27-08, 10:18 AM   #25
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i've brought along my phil's grease to the shop and had them packed before instalation. so no worries bout that. it should last me quite a while before having to repack.

I can say I can stop faster and easier because I usually ride my bike wearing my sambas and chucks. the chucks is not as comfortable because the sole is too soft and it flexes quite abit when I try to stop.

but I picked up my bike wearing my chucks and I am surprised by how little it flexes compared to normal when I try to stop the bike. I really do stop faster than before in the same speed with less effort.

read through all the thread on what the DA owners have to say about their hubs. it's all but good things.

I am a strong believer that a good drivetrain upgrade should come first before cosmetic.

that is why I strongly recommend those hubs. it's worth every penny you would pay for it for the enjoyment you'll get.

can't say the samething about phils because i 've yet to try it. but with all the rave reviews by their owners, I am sure they are great hubs.

you can call it a placebo effect unless you own both of the hubs and tried it for comparison.

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